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[-] graphito@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

The description missed: desperate attempt of OP to paint Wikipedia (the open source successful project which democratized public knowledge) same colours as Facebook and Twitter.

I wonder if there's some kinda agenda behind it

[-] GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Whenever I see these coy political memes I'm grateful that I'm not on the side where our extremists are the mainstream. The political theory is great, guys. In theory. Don't make it your personality.

[-] oblivion_comes@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

LOL really betting that people can't see libertarian Jimmy Wales begging for money while manicuring every narrative the DoD spits out. Just because sometimes they are willing to accept that napalm's ability to stick to flesh and burn underwater isn't "irrelevant pov" we can take them at face value as a bastion of democracy. Are you on the Atlantic Council or do you simply have a sandblaster pointed at your brain?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

check out their comment history for an extra laugh :)

[-] skomposzczet@vlemmy.net 6 points 1 year ago

How is wikipedia part of it?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Wikipedia is incredibly biased when it comes to political topics and it's regularly curated by US government and corporations https://www.vice.com/en/article/nnk97k/the-internet-is-flooded-with-wikipedia-edits-made-by-government-and-big-oil

[-] The_Infinite_Monkey@lemdit.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That (near decade-old) article really only describes conservative interests affecting the bias of the Wikipedia articles. Many editing incidents have happened since then, and they’re almost entirely attributable to conservatives bias, as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_editing_incidents_on_Wikipedia

Of course, it’s the same with all of these other websites, but conservatives are the ones insisting that the entire internet is pitted against them by the powers that be when that couldn’t be further from the truth.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Censorship in the West: we don't want that on our platform, person goes and finds a different platform.

Censorship under authoritarian governments: Criticize government? Straight to jail. Uncover wrongdoing by party official? Jail. Political opposition becoming more than controlled opposition? Believe it or not, jail.

[-] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm assuming you're talking about China in this.

Yeah no. For anyone just randomly complaining about the government, in order of frequency of "enforcement" used, frequency decreases exponentially: 1. No one cares and their post stays up forever; 2. The individual post gets removed or prevented from being posted; 3. Their account on that platform gets banned. The platforms in China like WeChat, the Chinese version of TikTok, etc are still private platforms by private companies btw.

Oh look! Some actual legislation on the subject! https://lemmy.ml/post/69688/comment/60571

It's only when you go beyond just criticizing the government and into advocating for violence, civil disorder, and coup when you actually get into law enforcement response and potential jail time. Which, by the way, is absolutely also true for Western countries, go ahead and point to a single Western "free speech" country that doesn't outlaw those in their legislation, I'll wait. By the way, despite popular Western belief, there are no "illegal speech" crimes that are punishable by death in China. They have these nifty things called "maximum punishments allowed by statute" just like the West, and death is only on the table for the most serious crimes like murder, rape, etc, just like the West.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

death is only on the table for the most serious crimes like murder, rape, etc, just like the West.

Massive economic crimes is also in, unlike the west.

[-] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Massive economic crime is a serious crime.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

In the west it just goes in the portfolio.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Censorship in the West: we don’t want that on our platform, person goes and finds a different platform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Political opposition becoming more than controlled opposition? Believe it or not, jail.

You mean like Assange and Manning?

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Overton window

There's a difference between socially unacceptable and "straight to jail".

You mean like Assange and Manning?

Manning not only released documents that were under her care as an intelligence officer, but also broke into other systems. Regardless of whether you support what she did, she did so knowing the consequences of breaking her oath. In doing so, she made public wrongdoing, but also exposed sources that the US had promised would be kept safe.

Assange... well, that feels more like a case of karma. The Obama/Biden administration declined to indict him in relation to the Manning leaks. He then screwed with the 2016 US elections, blatantly stoking conspiracy theories, laundering Russia's hacks in service of Trump, and coordinating with the Trump campaign to time releases to blunt at least one scandal. In return, the Trump administration indicted him. I don't fully understand the case, so I won't comment on it.

Compare that to investigative journalism in general in the US. Journalists can publish pieces that are extremely critical of both the government and corporations. High up people regularly are dragged down from their perch by an enterprising reporter. Maybe newsrooms aren't as well staffed as they used to be, but it's not in the same league as countries like China, Russia, and Venezuela that lack anything resembling a free press.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There’s a difference between socially unacceptable and “straight to jail”.

So just a straw man then?

Compare that to investigative journalism in general in the US. Journalists can publish pieces that are extremely critical of both the government and corporations.

Journalists can't question systemic problems in US. Entire books have been written on how journalism in US has been subverted. Read Inventing Reality and Manufacturing consent which both provide numerous case studies.

The fact that you genuinely believe that quality of journalism in China, Russia, or Venezuela is significantly worse than in the west is illustration of the effectiveness of propaganda in western media.

Assange did real journalism and he is being tortured for it right now. Instead of being outraged by the war crimes he exposed you choose to smear the man.

Also, I highly recommend that you read in this book detailing political repression in US. A few excerpts:

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