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Which browser do you use and why? (lemmy.selfhostcat.com)
submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

Using firefox but concerned now

Read about some alternatives:

Edit 2/28: It seems there is no general consensus if we should switch and/or to what.

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[–] tonytins@pawb.social 51 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Firefox. Equally concerned as well.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 18 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Looking into Librewolf and Waterfox now!

[–] Thorned_Rose@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Long time Firefox user. Installed Librewolf today and so far so good. I used Firefox sync to get all my settings, bookmarks, open tabs, etc. back. At some point I will probably find an alternative yo Firefox sync but it'll do for the time being.

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[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Still Firefox. Every time Mozilla does anything the entire privacy community goes insane. The terms of use they published seem entirely benign, and the only thing anyone can actually point to is the "direction being worrisome". Well, I'll get worried when they update the terms to be actually onerous. Everything even possibly annoying can be disabled, and it's still the only browser engine offering competition against Chrome ruling the web.

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[–] kazaika@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Firefox. Read the new statements on their website and the Full diff of the pull request. Not concerned at all.

Edit: pumped for ladybird, but its gonna be a few years until that is finished

[–] Peasley@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Same. I'm not worried, just confused by the new language. It seems unnecessary, but I could end up being flat wrong.

I wish Mozilla would refocus on improving Firefox instead of the AI nonsense they've pursued lately. They havent been perfect, but if i'm going to give any faceless entity the benefit of the doubt, it's Mozilla.

That said, i want the forks to thrive. Librewolf is pretty good. I might check out Pale Moon again to see what has(n't) changed.

Waterfox is also good from what i remember. I used a build of it with KDE global menu support on OpenSuse for years, and i was happy with it the whole time.

RIP TenFourFox. Hopefully a new fork will emerge for powerpc and other retro computers

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[–] SunDevil@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

While I'm not sure dropping Firefox is necessary at this juncture, I've had a good experience using LibreFox. Hearing a lot about Zen, though.

Check out Mozilla's clarification: https://www.ghacks.net/2025/02/27/mozillas-new-terms-of-use-causes-confusion-among-firefox-users/

[–] LettucePrey@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago

I think this diff makes it pretty clear its time to run, not walk: https://circumstances.run/@davidgerard/114078708183574404

[–] xmanmonk@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Recent news about Firefox finally got me to go with LibreWolf.

[–] Molten_Moron@lemmings.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I love Librewolf for PC ~~and Mull for Android.~~

Edit: Apparently Mull has been abandoned. See below for alternate.

[–] Grangle1@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mull development has been abandoned. You might want to switch to IronFox, the community's fork to continue its legacy.

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[–] icogniito@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Zen, absolutely love the workflow and the fact that it is not chromium based.

Waiting excitedly for ladybird, it is already very impressive but still years left until it is daily drive able

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[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm a Firefox user and I'm not really that bothered about this tos changes. If they do mess things up I'll probably just switch to some fork that doesn't do the fuckery.

Wouldn't be surprised if Mint packages Firefox with it (whatever "it" is) disabled, since they build Thunderbird without telemetry.

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[–] nycki@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

I still use firefox despite their questionable leadership, for one major reason: it prevents Google from setting whatever web standards they want. Sites that aren't standards compliant will usually still work in Chromium-based browsers, but they will break in Firefox, and then I can report the bugs.

[–] trk@aussie.zone 16 points 1 month ago

Firefox. And Thunderbird. And donate to Mozilla.

Don't really see the point in using a fork that, by the time you boil it down, just takes Firefox's work and then releases it later.

I want a Google and Apple alternative and I'd rather support it at the top of the chain.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago (42 children)

I use Firefox. I don't like the changes but I don't want to use any downstream browsers and I don't think any of the not-downstream alternatives do better.

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[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago

There was some sort of bullshit going on in like 2003 with Internet Explorer so my dad switched us to Firefox, I’ve been on it since. Never felt the need to go to Chrome when it cane around.

[–] boydster@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Been moving over to LibreWolf and I'm pretty happy with it so far. I added NoScript and CanvasBlocker extensions, along with my password manager, and I'm getting settled in with it now.

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[–] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

I use Mullvad Browser. It's maintained in coordination with the Tor Project, and is essentially the Tor Browser with Tor itself stripped out. Same browser fingerprinting protections, however, among other things.

EDIT: I'd like to clarify that this has nothing to do with my trust in Mozilla or Firefox itself, especially not concerning recent panics about benign changes. I still use Firefox on the side, it just does not have fingerprinting protections by default, and hardening it manually leads to minor differences between user configurations (even with Arkenfox if that's still around) that is solved by Mullvad Browser for me. I use Mullvad Browser for my main browsing, and Firefox for specific exceptions. Firefox itself is fine, and no, Mozilla is not burning it to the ground.

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[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Apparently, Floorp is another Firefox fork. Has anyone tried this?

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I use Floorp as my main browser! I like it, it's very customisable and kind of weirdly Japanese lol

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[–] fishsayhelo@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

librewolf for a while now. can reccomend 👍🏿

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I use Floorp, it's balanced well between looks and privacy, you can't even enable data collection if you wanted to

[–] jadsel@lemmy.wtf 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I have found Mozilla's sync across devices handy, but now I'm in the process of moving over to using Vanadium on my GrapheneOS phone and FireDragon on desktop.

FireDragon started out as a Librewolf fork, but is more recently based on Floorp. They are still keeping in sync with Librewolf's privacy enhancements, with some of their own thrown in. I like that the default search engine is Garuda's instance of Searx, with Whoogle as another option if you don't want to self host. FireDragon will also sync your Firefox account off Garuda's server instance if you like (which would be more useful if I weren't going with a Chromium fork on mobile). The Garuda project is certainly looking more trustworthy than Mozilla these days.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Zen for regular activities (I pin all important services), Firefox for browsing for something else.

GNU IceCat is also amazing as concept, but generally unusable since it ends up blocking too much and manually allowing everything is a hassle. But still, the pages that work are clean, and I love that by default the browser doesn't do anything without your permission - it doesn't even connect to update and telemetry services, it has 0 connections on startup, unlike almost anything (qutebrowser does the same, but, unless you are a strong Vim fanboy, you won't like the experience).

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Firefox, while I dislike their new FAQ and TOS I build it from source and the TOS does not apply.

I wish they would make Firefox Sync a self hostable product that they also host for you for like 5 bucks a month. I would pay for it (or any other way to directly give money to FX instead of Mozilla) like I do for Bitwarden.

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[–] StanislavP@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Switched to Librewolf on Linux and Ironwolf on Android. But looking forward to Ladybird!

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[–] Turturtley@aussie.zone 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

My issue is that while i am concerned about privacy, i’m more concerned with security patching. And none of these smaller browsers have the resources to turn around security fixes as quickly as firefox or chrome.

Firefox is the least of the concerns as long as we have the config options to disable anything deemed not privacy-respecting.

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[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I use several, depending on use case:

  • Tor Browser for general and anonymous web browsing (e.g. reading news, looking up stuff, and so on)
  • Mullvad Browser as a clear web alternative for general use
  • Librewolf for generally logging into sites with personally identifiable accounts (e.g. to buy stuff)
  • Ungoogled Chromium for those few sites which only work with a Chromium-based browser, or other specific cases
  • On Android (GrapheneOS): Tor Browser and Vanadium

All regular browsers have some hardening applied and uBlock Origin installed.

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[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think there is a generaal consensus to say it's not ARC

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[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've been using Zen for the past couple days and it's absolutely spectacular. I really really been enjoying it.

It claims to be a fork of Firefox but there's still Firefox under the hood and you can tell. But I find that it runs significantly faster than Firefox standard. So who knows. The author seems to be making it as ambiguous as possible so I would think that it's a soft fork that's basically stock Firefox with a few minor changes and a new look.

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[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Gnome browser, I’d use ladybird but it’s not ready yet

[–] commander@lemmings.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Firefox. Google removed a valuable addon from their store without justifiable reason and kept it removed because there's not sufficient backlash.

The addon is AdNauseam. It's an improvement on uBlock Origin that clicks ads in addition to hiding them.

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[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I use firefox and am actively looking to change to something, potentially librewolf.

Edit: just installed librewolf. it's super clean and I'm glad I got it. replaced firefox almost instantly.

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[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one 6 points 1 month ago

Librewolf & waterfox are fantastic. Zen is interesting but it takes some work if you are used to firefox/Librewolf. Ladybird isn't out yet 🫠

[–] lemminator@lemmy.today 6 points 1 month ago
[–] jamesbunagna@discuss.online 5 points 1 month ago

Trivalent, i.e. "a hardened chromium for desktop Linux inspired by Vanadium". Vanadium, for the uninitiated, is the browser found on GrapheneOS; the most secure and privacy-friendly/conscious OS for phones.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i've been using firefox and its predecessors since the very beginning, all the way back to pre-release navigator.

i do have (and have always had) other browsers installed (using 'portable' installations of them, mostly, these days). currently those include vivaldi, opera, librewolf and waterfox. at least one of which is added along side firefox on each desktop (most often also with a firefox dev edition). these are mostly for testing but also to separate specific online tasks into their own browser. the chromium-based ones are used for very specific things requiring addons that don't work well or at all with firefox.

unless i need to in order to assist a client, i do not use chrome as provided by google, and i do not use edge from microsoft except for its primary function: downloading another browser when i don't have a flash drive handy with its installer already downloaded and saved to it.

having actually read the policy documents in question and considering the intent and purpose of the changes that mozilla is making, i have no plans on changing my primary browser.

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