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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 10 points 44 minutes ago

The modern Democratic party fights harder against its own "base" than they do against the opposing party. People still came out in droves to vote for them despite that but their dedication to complacency in a system that is failing everybody but the rich left enough people behind to tip the scales. The Dems have enabled this and anybody who expects them to save us from it is delusional.

[–] coldasblues@sh.itjust.works 2 points 30 minutes ago (1 children)

Honestly at this point can't we just call it? The US is done. Let's all go our separate ways and dissolve the union.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 1 points 26 minutes ago

The fascists in power have control of the military and nukes. Even if states seceded, what would stop them from forcibly annexing them back?

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 20 points 3 hours ago (17 children)

Tens of millions of people voted for the Democrats. Do they not get to complain?

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

And over one third of voters didn't vote for anyone. This is talking about them:

https://www.environmentalvoter.org/updates/2024-was-landslidefor-did-not-vote

[–] drthunder@midwest.social 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I think if you voted for Democrats you get to complain, but if you were eligible to vote and didn't have to jump through a ton of hoops to do so you don't get to complain. This could have been avoided.

edit: to be clear, I don't think Democratic leadership really cares that we've got a dictator. But voting for them was harm reduction and too many people couldn't be bothered, whatever the reason.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 2 points 15 minutes ago

Why do people pretend that each election is in isolation? That if somehow we had all just voted for Harris even harder that America wasn't headed down this path anyway. This shit has been a plan of American politics since Ronald Reagan.

I'm not an "accelerationist" by any means. But it's just silly to act like this is a problem with voter turnout and only if we had "voted harder" it would all be fine. No. The entire system is fundamentally broken. That's how we got here.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 hours ago

This is assuming we didn't vote and things weren't "lost".

We deserved a hand recount at least. The fact that they didn't try is telling.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

The voting system doesn't have to be this way. There are many far more representative electoral systems we could use over First-past-the-post voting.

Why aren't the democrats doing anything? Because they don't have to. What are you going to do, vote republican? "Vote for us... or else" is not democracy, it is a hostage situation. It is an abusive relationship.

If the democrats supported democracy as much as they say, they would be scrambling to pass electoral reform in blue states. If democrats believed what they say about the republican party, they would not hesitate to open the voting system to 3rd parties. If it's all about preventing republican control, it wouldn't matter who beat the Republicans so long as they are defeated. Who could possibly say no to more then one chance to beat the Republicans?

Here on lemmy and across the internet you should have seen many blue conservatives screaming to the heavens about the spoiler effect and how voting for 3rd parties is a vote for Trump and the republicans. This is the democratic party showing us that, yes, they do in fact understand that the voting system is a issue.

This has happened for longer then ive been alive. So if the issue is understood, and no reform over how we vote gas taken place, then we can easily assume that the democrats prefer this voting system alongside the republicans. The democrats, don't want you to have any options in the voting booth. The democrats want this hostage situation. The democrats prefer trump and the republicans to win over having to actually compete for your vote.

We all understand that the republicans don't support democracy, but now is the time to stop living in denial. The democrats also do not support democracy. They want safe states and the world's easiest campaigns against the worst of us all. Democrats dont want to answer tough questions at debates. They want to put a party hack in front of you and laugh at your lack of an alternative. They will smash that "most important election ever" but 100 trillion times, collect checks from us and call it a day.

Electoral reform is not some impossible dream. We control how we vote at the state level. We dont need to wait for federal reform, it could still happen before the mid terms. So we must all demand the freedom to vote how we want from both the republican and democratic party in the states that continue to use FPTP voting.

Now is the time. No more waiting for the democrats to suddenly grow a backbone. We can choose a better way. We can have a future to look forward to. We can make the world a place people want to live in, at least more people then just the corporations and landlords that lord over us all.

Feel free to hate me bringing this up time and again. Shut me up by passing electoral reform across the country. I know more democracy is the solution to then problems we all face. Yeah it's a long shot. But it's better then having no shot at all.

Videos on Electoral Reform

First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

STAR voting

Alternative vote

Ranked Choice voting

Range Voting

Single Transferable Vote

Mixed Member Proportional representation

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Thank you for writing this.

And so long as men die, liberty will never perish(c)

(Yes, I want people to search for this quote and listen to the man)

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah now is the time to promote voting reform and try to make a serious third party.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

A serious third party needs to start with congressional seats. Not the presidency.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 hour ago

A serious third party probably needs to start at the state or even municipal level, realistically.

[–] sakodak@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Most of the members of Congress are extremely wealthy, Republican and Democrat alike. They're not doing anything about this coup consolidating capitalist class power because they stand to personally gain from it. They don't have to pretend to not have the votes to stop yet another grab at working class wallets because they can point at Elon and say "we have no power here."

There are certain people who never want to hear it, but very few national politicians give a shit about us, certainly not enough to make a difference. They're in it for personal gain, everything else is performative.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago

Some of them also don't want to risk being violently purged by fascists so are bowing down early.

The handful that are actually speaking out are risking being very dead.

[–] art@lemmy.world 27 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

Realistically, it's the Democrats who failed the voting public. Their campaign of "We offer you nothing!", did not seem to drag in very many undecided voters. You and I might be very politically active, but the majority of Americans are not.

You need to give them a reason to go out and vote. A lot of people have very short attention spans, and easily forgot how bad Trump was the first time around and shaming the people for their shortsightedness is not how you win elections.

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[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Aren't the only ones saying this the Dems?

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

The number of excuses people are willing to make for Democrats is astounding. I've been watching the Republicans obstruct the Democrats for the last sixteen years. Meanwhile, Trump has been in power for a month, and Democrats are fast-tracking his appointments, even when it's a conspiracy theorist to lead the FBI or an anti-vaxer to head HHS. They've given unanimous consent to Trump's agenda 345 times so far. You should be calling them every day and demanding they act like an actual opposition party, not justifying their collaboration with the fascists. Who knows, maybe if they show voters that they're actually willing to stand up and fight for something, they might actually win a fucking election.

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 20 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

The dems failed to convince enough people to vote for them. The largest share of votes in the last election was for no-one. Your primary job as a political party is to convince people to vote for you. if they can't get people motivated in the face of bare faced fascism then they need to take a serious look at why their policies do not speak to americans.

Very few people who voted for Kamala were voting FOR Kamala... they were voting AGAINST Trump

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 27 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (5 children)

fuck it. I voted dem every election and they did fuckall. We got obamacare, whoop deee doo. we have to buy insurance now. fat load of good that did.

Fuck the dems. I'm leaving and voting for some other party, and you should too. campaigning for a third party should start right fucking now, so the dems can't say "oH, ThE TiMe FoR SuPpOrTiNg a ThIrD pArTy IsN't 5 MoNtHs BeFoRe An ElEcTIoN!" Fuck you, you goddamned fake ass left party.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago

You're 100% right, but just a heads up, you absolutely will hear dems say that. Campaigning for a third party started long ago and you just joined in.

Dems will have no idea how long you've been supporting third-party candidates, and will only recall the discussions they hear while engaged - during election season.

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