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Enough Musk Spam

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 hours ago

https://dev.to/mdchaney/cobol-dates-may-20-1875-and-disinformation-5ggh

  1. There is no "date" data type in COBOL. Dates are stored however the programmer wants, but usually numeric character strings
  2. There's no "default" date, even if there were such a data type
  3. Even if there were a default, 1875 would be a bizarre choice

That (obviously) doesn't mean Elon Musk is right. It just means that this explanation of it being some magical COBOL epoch value is wrong. What's more likely is that the Social Security database is very old and has a lot of iffy data in it.

My guess is that it contains everybody who has ever had a social security record, including all the duplicates, all the typos, and everything else. At some point there were probably hundreds of thousands of records that were transcribed from paper into a computer, and it was considered safer to keep the iffy data and make a plan to deal with it later, vs. remove someone from the database who should legitimately be there.

I would also imagine that the systems that take the records out of the DB probably have filters in place that remove the (known) bad records before they're used.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Isn't "embarrassing and dangerous" their whole strategy?

[–] androidul@lemmy.ml 22 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

learn Cobol you uneducated teenagers

[–] sfbing@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

SUBTRACT DATE FROM YEAR GIVING AGE.

[–] Oneobi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It's all about WORKING STORAGE if you ask me.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The question is, how do you not know the age of a recipient? I feel like that's kinda required to know, no?

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 14 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

There are many people who were born in developing nations during times of war who do not know their exact age. They usually do have an idea of a range though.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 6 points 10 hours ago

Ah, well that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 38 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

I keep hearing that gen Z is actually pretty shit with understanding things outside GUIs.

And now I’m watching it actively destroy my country.

[–] Decq@lemmy.world 2 points 37 minutes ago

I get this feeling too, but then again can we blame them? With all the locked down tech these days you really have to get out of your way to learn. And in most cases it works well enough. Whereas people growing up between lets say the 1970-2000s had to muck around with their tech to get it to work. Thus learning the intricacies while using it.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

How dare you question the wisdom of Big Balls and his peers

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I’m gen z, I use Vim, and I voted for Kamala. Guess all those VS Code kids voted Trump.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 14 hours ago

Less of a generational problem, more of an educational one. Selfish, badly educated grifters that got pushed into high offices can be of any age. Musk also didn't recognize SQL when he looked at it, which is arguably even more funny.

[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 3 points 10 hours ago

More of a late gen z, gen alpha thing.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 100 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

The actual payment system stops payments automatically at age 115 and requires manual verification to restart. The database that is being reported is not even a report of who is getting paid.

This is just dramatic, public evidence of the arrogance and incompetence of DOGE from down to his racist younglings.

For a while, I thought they would at least be good at technology. This episode shows that even that is not true.

How he chose this elite group of chuckleheads is an eyebrow raiser. Other than racism, they seem to have no credentials at all. I mean, on brand for this administration I guess.

[–] skysurfer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Found the link to the SSA page describing the policy which took effect in 2015.

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[–] ChristmasIslandZone@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Conspiracy theory: They know this, but being able to claim to their followers, with official records to show for it, who know NOTHING about programming, is an easy, effective win for them. They can claim fraud to their gullible audience and now have records they can point to and say "LOOK! THEY'RE GIVING DEAD PEOPLE SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY!"

[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

This is why you come up with a hypothesis before running an experiment and collecting data. Otherwise you can pick a pattern in the data to propose just the right hypothesis.

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