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Enough Musk Spam

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[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 33 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The actual payment system stops payments automatically at age 115 and requires manual verification to restart. The database that is being reported is not even a report of who is getting paid.

This is just dramatic, public evidence of the arrogance and incompetence of DOGE from down to his racist younglings.

For a while, I thought they would at least be good at technology. This episode shows that even that is not true.

How he chose this elite group of chuckleheads is an eyebrow raiser. Other than racism, they seem to have no credentials at all. I mean, on brand for this administration I guess.

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 1 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

115 sounds too late imo, payments should need manual verification way earlier

[–] AmbientDread@midwest.social 3 points 15 minutes ago

If that's what you want they should be staffing up instead of firing.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Jesus fucking christ the interns who have neither seen nor heard of COBOL have also not encountered the concept of a sentinel value used as a fallback/default.

[–] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

What do you expect? most of the guys in "DOGE" weren't even alive on 9/11 I'm a bit surprised that they still have something in COBOL, maintenance probably costs o fortune, good luck finding young COBOL devs

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 9 points 3 hours ago

These are the same interns that are pushing code in production, right?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 9 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

They also found that there's people over 200, so that default date thing doesn't really explain it all.

[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 40 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's because that explanation isn't correct. The real deal is you just have entries without a death date, so if you ran a query this get super old ages as a result.

Note that isn't a database of payments or even people eligible for them, just a listing of 'everyone' with a SSN. There is a separate master death index. In the old days, wild west kind of stuff people would disappear so the death date would never get entered. Modern days every morgue and funeral home has to legally notify SS when someone dies, there is a specific form and major hell to pay if you don't do it.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 8 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Social Security numbers were first issued in 1937. You would have need someone to be over 110 in 1937 to have an age over 200. I think that it's a combination of birthdays entered wrong plus no official death date.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago

Wouldn't matter anyway the ss admin automatically stops pay and initiates audit for anything over 115.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 29 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

Also a lot of people between 110 and 150, so I'm sure there is a larger answer.

However, Social Security cuts off at 115, and they supposedly found like 10 million people older than that. Considering there are only ~50m people on Social Security, and the database they were searching wasn't even about current recipients, most people would conclude that there is likely an error in data, rather than immediately jump to fraud. Of course, ketamine is a hell of a drug and Elon is not most people.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's definitely still concerning if the database has a large number of errors. But systematic fraud would be much worse ofc.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 hours ago (7 children)

the database doesn't have to necessarily be accurate if there's other checks - a flag for test data, a system that checks the person is real against another database before dispersing funds etc

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 106 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Teenage programmers can understand legacy code. These ones didn't. Don't dis teen coders.

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

How many teens you think can actually read and understand legacy languages like FORTRAN and COBOL? Let alone a complex codebase written in them?

I studied COBOL a bit in college and it's not exactly hard to read short snippets if you understand other languages, but good luck wrapping your head around anything remotely complex and actually understand what it is doing without having someone who understands the language. Hell, 15-20 years on and multiple languages later, my eyes still cross trying to read and grok COBOL. The people supporting those old code bases get paid well for a reason ...

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 hours ago

Learning to COBOL is not itself that hard.

Understanding decades of "business" logic is.

It isn't WHAT it is doing, it's WHY it is doing it that makes these systems labyrinthian.

Also afaik they don't get paid that well which is part of the problem.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 49 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know how many teenage programmers you have interacted with recently, but they are generally just learning the basics, learning core concepts, experimenting, etc...

There is a huge gap between making small, sometimes very cool and creative even, projects and understanding a giant legacy codebase in a language that is not taught anymore. I mean, even university grads often have trouble learning legacy code, much less in COBOL.

You wouldn't say your average teenage cook could make a gourmet meal for a house of 50 people 😅 not a dis, just they haven't had the time to get to greybeard level yet

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

this is why, if they heavily modified the code in such a short time and they couldn’t understand it: it proves there was a previous data breach and they’re just installing the pre-written patches… the smoking gun that i can’t explain to anyone

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

That makes way too much sense.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 21 points 9 hours ago

tbf it's only embarrassing if you're capable of embarrassment.

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 hours ago

But but it's BREAKING! With a red light emoji!

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 44 points 12 hours ago

Honestly, if you make it to 150 you deserve the money

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 56 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I can't wait for them to discover a bunch of people who are 9999 years old next.

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[–] JoYo@lemmy.ml 48 points 13 hours ago

More specifically, they didn't find anyone receiving social security who were 150 years old because they didn't prove that they were receiving anything as that's not the purpose of that database.

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