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[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (3 children)

By putting the solar panel at a 90 degree angle though it is much less efficient than e.g. a 45 degree angle.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Less efficient than not having them?

[–] cjk@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Wrong question. The right question is: is the solar panel able to be CO2 neutral (at least) or CO2 negative. We don't get anything out of it if producing the solar panel costs more CO2 emissions than it saves by producing electricity.

Before you ask: I don't know the answer. I was looking into this thread in hope to find it.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Most people don't care about being CO2 neutral. The real question is what is the ROI? Will the panel save that person money. If it takes 50 years to pay for itself, I'd say that's bad. 10 years is more standard. 5 years I say it's a no brainer. Though I suppose you can also argue value for utility, if that is giving her the ability to power something off grid that would be worth something.

[–] Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In Germany those panels usually pay themselves after about 5 years depending on the price of the necessary electronics (don't forget the electricity meter!) and if there's also a battery.

[–] derGottesknecht@feddit.org 3 points 6 days ago

You don't need a smart meter for this, just plug and play. If seen offers for complete sets from as low as 250€ in supermarkets, so almost everyone can get one and start saving some power.

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[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I hung a solar panel vertically on my fence one time. It was facing west rather than south, but I was only getting about 3-4 watts on my 100 watt panel under the best conditions.

[–] colourlessidea@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

Depends, is an imaginary angle comparable to a 45 degree angle?

[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

The most have a 45 degree angle

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[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

That pic is great, haha. Woman looks so smug.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 5 points 6 days ago

My North-East facing balcony doesn't get enough sun light. But it's an interesting idea.

[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Isn't wind energy better on balconies?

[–] derGottesknecht@feddit.org 11 points 6 days ago

Sadly really small wind turbines are really ineffective and not worth the investment until you have a really windy balcony. If you only have a few square meters solar is the only choice.

But I'd still love to have a small windmill in my garden.

[–] Rogue@feddit.uk 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If everyone puts wind turbines on the balconies they might end up blowing the building over

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[–] HansGruber@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

Hmm no,

  • first oft all: noise. Wind turbines have moving parts, that attached to a building or even worse attached to a balcony creates noise in the whole building. Imagine the rattling of 5-6 ~10 year old, bad maintained, wind turbines.
  • Second: the energy output is rather low. A 1,2KW turbine is about 1.2m/3.9feet big. That's in spherical, cause it has to be able to rotate by wind direction.
  • Third: balconies are preferred to not have wind, but sun.
  • And last but not least: blades. Every windturbine form factor has (fast) moving blades. If it's reachable someone is going to stick a finger in it.

If you're living more suburban and have a windy detached place to setup a small windturbine that's an option. On the garage or shed for example.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There is something in it - they are making solar panels with chemicals that makes energy trans

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We even tried to make trains trans once

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