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[–] sxan@midwest.social 74 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

There's direct proof, though! Men have one fewer ribs on one side, and women have a full set of ribs because none of their's was stolen.

Oh, wait. None of that is true. But words written in paper wouldn't lie!

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I've heard the theory that the "rib" removed from Adam refers to the baculum

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure there's no translation error that could go from baculum to rib. Those are very different things. That "theory" sounds like someone just grasping so they don't have to question the accuracy of their magic book.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The Hebrew noun translated as "rib'', tzela (tzade, lamed, ayin), can indeed mean a costal rib. It can also mean the rib of a hill (2 Samuel 16:13), the side chambers (enclosing the temple like ribs, as in 1 Kings 6:5,6), or the supporting columns of trees, like cedars or firs, or the planks in buildings and doors (1 Kings 6:15,16). So the word could be used to indicate a structural support beam. Interestingly, Biblical Hebrew, unlike later rabbinic Hebrew, had no technical term for the penis and referred to it through many circumlocutions. When rendered into Greek, sometime in the second century BCE, the translators used the word pleura, which means side, and would connote a body rib (as the medical term pleura still does). This translation, enshrined in the Septuagint, the Greek Bible of the early church, fixed the meaning for most of western civilization, even though the Hebrew was not so specific.

Or so goes the claim.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for the additional information. I still don't buy it. Yeah, even today we use "rib" to refer to structural pieces of buildings that resemble ribs. I don't know the languages so I can't actually check myself, but it seems like a stretch to just go from that information to penis, then from that to the "mistranslation" of Greek side rib. Why would the Greek translation do that if the Hebrew didn't say it?

I know there are some really strange translation errors in the Bible, but regardless this one seems strange. I'm sure if you want to grasp you could make an argument for many other parts of the body too, with no way to falsify any of them. It's a fun but of trivia to know though, so thanks again.

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[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

So no more boners, eh?

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The answer is Lillith

Because Lillith wasn’t subservient to Adam; God made Eve from Adam to ensure she would always listen to him

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is that why I keep getting attacked by bears? Cos animals aren't subservient to man?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s because you keep trying to pet them

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

But the danger puppy is so fluffy

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm all for calling Christian bullshit out but this is a boomer tier meme

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Ya know what? Fair enough and good on you for posting.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago

This meme is part of the "I'm an atheist because I had a bad experience at an evangelical church" starter pack

[–] Jezza@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Iirc, for those interested, it's actually a mistranslation of the original Hebrew term.
The original term is tzelas, which is a bit ambiguous.
It could be rib, but no real way of knowing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1321fhe/comment/ji30zz0/

[–] BilliamBoberts@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why would an omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscience god allow his word to be mistranslated?

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Mysterious ways

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Underrated comment.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It obviously translates to baculum, the dick bone.

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Which tracks perfectly with both the Bible refering to multiple bones, only a part of which were "taken", and modern Hebrew speakers in the linked thread taking about how "rib" is probably the best translation.

It's also why Spider Monkeys are the second most Chosen primate, since they both lack a bacculum and had their own relative Spider Monkey Eve. Lacking only Spider Monkey Jesus. While Chimpanzees are mere animals, still having their dick bones.

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

God created Adam from ~~nothing~~ mud. God is omnipotent. Why was he suddenly so restricted that he couldn't create Eve just from ~~nothing~~ some more mud? Why did he go "darn, I'll need something more, I guess I'll borrow a rib to do that."

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lilith was created from mud like Adam, and refused to be subservient to him, so Eve was made from Adam as a replacement

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Where's the chapter and verse of Lilith being Adams wife?

[–] yannic@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think it's a weak explanation for the apparant contradiction between the initial Yahwist creation narrative at Genesis 2:4 where Adam proceeded most animals and his "helper" and the subsequent 6-day Priestly narrative at 1:1 where man and woman were created at the same time on the sixth day.

Yes, the chronological order of the stories is reversed, according to most scholars. Lilith isn't in sacred scripture (unless you could words based on other forms of the origin of the name, but that's a stretch). She appears in post-second temple Jewish folklore (read: after Christianity branched off Judaism) if that's of any significance to you.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Okay good you know 😂 For an accurate Christian interpretation just read canonical church fathers and defer to church tradition. I'm Orthodox but Catholics would dismiss any interpretation applying any significance Lilith as well. Second Temple Judaism is just that. A lot of gnostic nonsense comes from it.

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Now we're getting somewhere! But if God knows everything, how come he couldn't create the same thing consistently? How come he couldn't forsee that the first method wouldn't work?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Since Adam was made from mud, his rib was too.

So technically, Eve was also made from mud.

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[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think he made Adam out of mud or something

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fair, it's been a while since I last read it. But my question stands: I guess there was some more mud left...?

[–] synicalx@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

My theology is a little rusty so bear with me, but; I believe the teaching here is that initially God did create 'companions' for Adam from the earth by way of creatures/animals/critters/etc and then had Adam go around naming them all. But then it goes on to say something like 'there was not a helper fit for him from them', so God made this "helper" (I'll elaborate on that word) directly from Adam who immediately recognised her as being from himself. Genesis isn't really literal either, especially not the first half of it so think of this more as a metaphor.

If you dive into the linguistics a bit (my memory here is also a bit rusty) the term "helper" is translated from the Hebrew word "ezer" and is the same word used to describe God's relationship with humanity. There's a lot of misinterpretation (understandably so IMO) about the word "helper" in most translations, but what most theologians believe it to mean by the use of the word "ezer" is the relationship between man and woman is collaborative and supportive, and not hierarchical despite the English translation making it sound a bit not like that.

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[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Isn't the story that Eve was a remake after Lilith was kicked out? He needed the rib as "source material"?

[–] Lyre@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Which is kind of a weird requirement when you just made the universe from scratch last week. Like why do we need crafting materials now?

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 14 points 3 days ago

You get infinite free resources during the tutorial.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Needed a Part of Adam so they could long to be together. Like a puzzle piece. Lilith was too independent because she was already whole.

[–] Lyre@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, he doesn't really "need" anything... Because omnipotence. He could have just made them long for each other. He could have just made Lilith less independent. Or he could have just made Adam not terrified of the second, unnamed wife... The whole thing really starts to break down the more you think about it :/

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Lol I never take the Bible at face value. Wine Is blood of christ and such is ridiculous if literal.

I took the "rib" as a psychological independence humans would have had like solitary cat. Or maybe the "rib" symbolizes is the hormones human feel when being happily around others.

In any case, Something was taken out of humans that led to need for companionship In others so we fit together like a puzzle piece.

Why? Cause the dude is a programmer and like shortcuts.

[–] Lyre@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's an interesting take, but if it's a metaphor then it's a broken one. Eve never had to lose anything, she's whole and ergo, metaphorically, women wouldn't feel the longing and need for companionship or whatever it is thats meant to be symbolized. If the torah is making a metaphor, then a better interpretation of the text might be that woman is created to be an object of man's desire.

Ironically, the original story of Adam and Lilith being one, conjoined entity that is later split into two by god actually functions much better as a metaphor for human need to find love and companionship, but thats not the story that gets cannonized.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

good take.

It to me is not so much like God broke Adam and put it in eve. As much as they both got 1/2 of something the old Adam 1.0 had.

You point still applies regardless.

[–] Lyre@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

Ah i see, that's a fair interpretation. I never thought about it like that.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

God created eve from adams rib so he could suck his own dick. What a bro

[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nah, god just fucked up a little when making Adam, forgot to give him a full set of ribs. The whole female creation myth was just some quick thinking to cover up god's little oopsie and make Adam feel better. In reality, girls don't exist, especially on the internet

[–] BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The Y is just an incomplete X 😳

Edit: this is also good.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 8 points 4 days ago

What about invertebrate species?

Especially snakes. Ribs to spare.

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