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[–] dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 days ago

also applies to unix vs dos

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 302 points 1 week ago (9 children)

This meme is way more clever than it should be

[–] runeko@programming.dev 67 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Didn't realize until I read your comment. Thanks.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I didn't realise until I read that comment, your comment and the other comment about slash direction.

[–] hemmes@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

JFC, thank you. I didn’t realize until it was spelled out for me. I’m definitely not that kind of smart.

This is why I always sucked at games like Myst

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I realized immediately, read the comment, and then went back to look for a deeper meaning. It wasn't there.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not something the Jedi would tell you.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Only a sith deals in absolute paths.

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[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 104 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I hate that I need to use escape characters when creating something for windows.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Python raw strings to the rescue!

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

Pathlib is the answer.

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nobody is stopping you from using forward slashes. Python will translate the path for the current platform.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Try pathlib. All your problems solved.

[–] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 75 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children)

Fun fact, though: Linux is the only case-sensitive one.

Edit: I feel silly for forgetting that it's all about the choice of FS. If anyone needs anything from me, I'll be in the corner, coloring.

[–] Localhorst86@feddit.org 63 points 1 week ago (3 children)

From a technical standpoint, the windows NTFS filesystem is designed inherently case sensitive, just windows doesn't allow creating case sensitive files.

Connecting an NTFS drive to linux, you can create two separate files readme.txt and Readme.txt.

Using windows, you can see both files in the filesystem, but chances are most (if not all) software will struggle accessing both files, opening readme.txt might instead open Readme.txt or vice versa.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Such a microsoft thing to do.

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

NTFS was designed back in the mid 90s, when the plan was to have the single NT kernel with different subsystems on top of it, some of those layers (i.e. POSIX) needed case sensitivity while others (Win32 and OS/2) didn't.

It only looks odd because the sole remaining subsystem in use (Win32) barely makes use of any of the kernel features, like they're only just now enabling long file paths.

[–] pixelscript@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

For a few years now, Windows has had the capability of marking certain directories as case-sensitive. So you can have a mixed-case-sensitivity filesystem experience now. Yeah. :/

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Although you can use case insensitive filesystems with Linux, and case sensitive filesystems with macOS. I believe the case sensitivity is a function of the specific filesystem


but yeah, practically, the root for Linux is always case sensitive, and APFS ~~ain't~~ is only if you ask it to be ( https://support.apple.com/lv-lv/guide/disk-utility/dsku19ed921c/mac ).

[–] paperplane@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

When case insensitivity is the default I always wonder how many apps unknowingly rely on that due to typos somewhere. I encountered this once while porting a Windows/macOS app to Linux that someone imported a module with the wrong case and nobody noticed

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 15 points 1 week ago

I once ran into a bug in an Arduino program where it wouldn't compile. The author blamed my "broken environment". Turned out, he had included "arduino.h" instead of the correct "Arduino.h".

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] pelya@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You can actually use / as a path separator on Windows in functions like fopen(), because it supports some ancient version of POSIX standard.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 36 points 1 week ago

There used to be an undocumented setting in early versions of MS-DOS that would allow the setting of the command option character to something other than the slash, and if you did that, the slash automatically became the path separator. All you needed was SWITCHAR=- in your CONFIG.SYS and DOS was suddenly very Unix-y.

It was taken out after a while because, with the feature being undocumented, too many people didn't know about it and bits of software - especially batch files, would have been reliant on things being "wrong". The modern support for regular slash in API calls probably doesn't use any of the old SWITCHAR code, but it is, in some way, the spiritual descendant of that secret feature.

Here's an old blog that talks about it: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-gb/archive/blogs/larryosterman/why-is-the-dos-path-character

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

The one thing about NT was that it didn't have it's own semantics, but it could emulate any system you wanted. It's the unofficial successor of an OS that was based on creating VMs where you could run any other OS you want.

Then Microsoft decided to create their own system in it, and only really finished writing that one.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Also the internet belongs on the left.

And really, Linux/macos could be reduced to "Unix" https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg

[–] SatyrSack@feddit.org 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And BSD. It's really just Windows vs. literally everything. Or is there anything else that uses backslashes?

[–] db2@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

CP/M

Which in this context is named hilariously.

[–] shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Typical windows behavior

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[–] MooseTheDog@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

File systems aren't even real.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What is this "real" concept anyway?

Adam Savage famously stated on Mythbusters "I reject your reality and substitute my own"

Sure, but is reality even real then? Is anything real?

Not that I meant to get all pop-philosophical on this beautiful Sunday morning, sorry about that.

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[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Would it be more efficient to say Unix vs Windows?

[–] wreel@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 week ago (8 children)
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[–] brotundspiele@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

You mean right vs. wrong?

[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't really watch Star Wars. I'm a more of a Trekkie gal.

🖖

See, you can separate files both ways as long as it's logical

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 week ago

Why fight when you can just do cd /mnt/c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/

[–] glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 week ago

Duel of the fates: \//\

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Linux uses forward slash. Windows uses backslash. Because some dude 45 years ago wanted to make it look different from UNIX.

[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I understand pre-OS X Macintoshes used colons.

[–] PNW_Doug@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They did! And I weirdly kind of miss them for the entirely non-logical reason that they looked elegant.

Don't get me wrong, I adapted in about 3 seconds when I made the switch to Mac OS X 25 years ago, but I irrationally kinda miss them just a tiny bit.

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[–] lowleveldata@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Both works fine in Windows tho?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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