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What a pile of garbage. That we rely on teams at my org causes me endless frustration.
Why does it have to be so heavy
Speaking as a developer myself, it's likely not the devs' fault that Teams is as shit as it is. They are all intimately familiar with its shortcomings and are perfectly able and willing to fix them, but are prevented from doing so by management who insist that shovelling crapware down their customers' throats is far more important.
Honestly, what I find frustrating with Teams is that both MSN Messenger and Skype were right there. It's not even an issue of copyright or trademark as MS owns both. Even just lazily re-branding Skype would have been head-and-shoulders above what we have now.
What is it people don't like about Teams? It's mostly about integration with SharePoint
It's that. It's been a hot minute, but (IIRC) for me it was the less-than-great UI/UX that really adds up to a high friction experience. Especially when compared with software like Slack or Discord.
Having talked to people who were in charge of making some strategic decisions regarding a business messaging application...
Slack/Discord is "too complex and confusing". Apparently the pile of unsorted chats, group chats, and meeting chats, are superior to Discord's threading model.
Also corpos literally do not notice that teams is slow as molasses which is a big part of the friction. You could show them a perfect demonstration that Teams' UI is so much slower to react to anything (nevermind load the actual resource) than the competition and that they often have a 1000+ms audio RTT in meetings (not a hyperbole) and the business people would be like "yeah, I guess? Who cares?"
Corporate types literally can't understand that bad audio and audio latency costs a huge percentage of revenue in lost productivity because everyone's constantly talking over each other and simultaneously being too afraid to speak because the audio delay makes it impossible to fit into a lull in the conversation and also everyone is in a competition for the tiniest shittiest mic with the worst noise canceling that somehow stacks on top of Teams' pretty bad noise cancelation such that their voice is being noise canceled and you're just left with like 1.2 kHz of actual range and somehow everyone seems fine to spend their entire day listening to that and aaaaaaaaa I have a headache and I want to die
Then after work you get on a discord call with the mates and everyone is crystal clear with no noticeable latency, even the students on a secondhand 30 € gaming headset.
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Then again, in a world that needs developers badly everywhere, a developer that stays in a job where management forces them to maintain crappy software, is an idiot (or plain greedy). /also a developer
The job market is pretty shit for a world that supposedly needs developers everywhere.
Not in Europe - for now. Will be different of course if fascist America murders us all over here. Or Putler. Doesn't make much of a difference in the end...
We need them badly, just not enough to pay not shit wages
What else could he say to not be thrown out? Dude works at Microsoft
“I killed Clippy”?
Doesn't windows have a software repository type thing now that attempts to do the whole Linux thing?
Or maybe a developer for Excel? People seem to like Excel.
"I worked on Space Cadet."
Teams is one of those things I don't understand why companies use. Just why
Because it's bundled in their office subscriptions
Microsoft bundles all of their software in a way that makes it much more expensive to pick and choose which software you want from Microsoft and which one you would want from someone else. It's a very similar strategy to that of Adobe.
Because they needed a way to attempt to micromanage during COVID, and to do it ASAP.
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Because it's essentially free and hooks into the existing MS tools for data retention, data loss prevention, security monitoring, etc.
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Bloated piece of shit. Can we just use Matrix?
I used Planner in the past. Its integration with teams makes a webcam pointed at a white board a lot better.
Planner can no longer be connected to outlook and thus probably no longer to teams as well. Though I am not exactly sure a fan of any of these, connecting Planner was helpful.
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What's wrong with teams? I use it everyday and it's fine.
You have exactly ten minutes to get the fuck out of this post
Everything. From UI to server. Including Forms and stream. They all suck hard.
Everytime I open teams, I am greeted with "You need to login again to continue" button, which doesn't even work.
That sounds like your workplaces network issue, not teams. The only time I have to relogin is after I leave the VPN'd wifi of the office building. But the button works
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The interface is terrible and nothing works like it should. Example. So I've got a shared folder which I set up in Teams and I mount it in OneDrive. I used OneDrive to populate it, ignoring the folder called "General" because what's the fucking point of that? You can't delete the "General" folder which seemed odd. So I've been happily sending out links to documents in my file structure, not realising that my colleagues had no idea there was even a folder structure there. The reason? Fucking Teams defaults to showing the empty "General" folder so people think there's nothing there. I can't move stuff into it because it would break the links. I can't create a shortcut because they don't work in teams - it just downloads a file when you click on it. So I've created a file in "general" with the title "click on the link next to the word General above to get to the files.txt". Very professional. And don't get me started on the miserable abomination that is Outlook.
And people have the absolute fucking gall to say that open source UI is bad.
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Ew dude, gross
I'm so sorry for you, hope you get all the help you need.
Found the NSA plant 🕵🏼♂️
Nothing about it is fine
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Especially the mobile app, fucking trash
I too would be wary of anyone working at Microsoft (or Oracle, or Salesforce, or SoftTech, or Tata or a bank).
tbf though, which other Microsoft project could he have said that would not have gotten himself kicked out?
The whole notion of LSP has been nice.
Flight Simulator maybe. Age of Empires.. not sure how much they are tied into that anymore though
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When teams first came out it was good. And Skype was crap.
I think when they killed Skype they pulled that team in to help Teams which led to the current situation.
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