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[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 326 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Isn't it weird how much harder it is for them to tip the scales on Lemmy and Mastodon, platforms without algorithms designed by right-wing billionaires?

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 149 points 1 week ago (1 children)

WHAT? Are you implying that the rich used the advantage of closed black box algorithms to screw with peoples opinions, motivations and emotions for the goal of enriching themselves both financially and with power‽

Preposterous!/s

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[–] RagnarokOnline@programming.dev 91 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Kinda makes ya think… Maybe letting someone else filter the content you see is an inherently biased concept.

I’d rather apply my own biases to my feed, tyvm.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bias is always present in this type of thing, the critical difference is honesty, openness, freedom to dissent (in theory and in practicality) and integrity of which big tech companies do not even possess a homeopathic amount.

Same story with trust for that matter...

[–] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's also the fact that the 'left-wing' has constant infighting... about how to help people, whereas the 'right-wing' are (mostly) single issue voters who don't care what the other conservatives do so long as they get their thing. So a left-wing 'echo chamber' is kind of amusing when you try to imagine a Social Democrat and an Anarchist tacitly agreeing to almost anything.

Is there bias? Sure. What exactly that constitutes seems, to me at least, to be 'I don't think people should be in camps/have their rights removed/lose bodily autonomy, or that governments should spend more subsidizing oil and gas than all other areas.'

[–] Ghosthacked@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

For real, I've had some lefty take beef with me on BlueSky cause my "tone" is too harsh.

You want me to be high brow and polite when the right is fighting dirty?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I agree with the spirit of the point, but I also think it is critically important to SCREAM into the air right now that actually yes we do agree on a whole lot more on the leftwing than rightwing people do amongst their lame circles of hate.

It is our vibrant arguments, passionate disagreements and loud messy divisions and categories that keep leftism from becoming an echo chamber, as you nod towards in putting it in parentheses as 'echo chamber'. Yes this is true and necessary to point out, but also the leftwing simultaneously and not in the least bit paradoxically agrees on way more than conservatives do. Don't mistake blind compliance with whatever dominant narrative is being broadcast at the moment (hating trans people, being afraid of an """"""""immigrant crisis""""""""", not believing in evolution?? (did that go out of style yet? (sorry I wrote this aside like lisp code))) for a group of people being in true agreement and solidarity.

Interview a bunch of conservatives individually and ask them basic questions about how their espoused values connect with real world policies, actions and circumstances and if you ask about ANYTHING that isn't the hot topic right now to hate on in conservative circles you will get a random mix of complete and utter amateur speculation and shockingly silly re-imaginings of things that already exist because of problems that have already been solved (i.e. naive libertarians).

Interview a bunch of leftist individually and do the same thing and you will get basically the same damn answers every time on the important stuff.

Is healthcare a human right?

Yes

Does everybody deserve to earn a living wage?

Yes

Are all people created equal and worthy of empathy?

Yes

Does everybody deserve housing and the ability to live in a decent living situation?

Yes

Is climate change real and are humans driving it?

Yes

Do you believe in the seperation of church and state?

Yes..?

Do you condone any form of racism?

Emphatically no, never. I am an anti-racist which means also resisting structural racism not just overt racism

Are you a feminist?

Fuck off, why are you condescending me, of course I am

Is disability a weakness?

No, blind worship of strength is

Do you support LGTBQ+ people?

entirely

OF COURSE there are exceptions, but by and large do this to leftists and you will get a consistent expression of leftist ideology throughout their beliefs that agrees at a basic level (especially among younger folks) with almost every other leftist you interview, with massive exceptions in the details of course....

There are annoying and bad and toxic people on the left, yes, but let us remember we are much more effective at ensuring we are interacting on a basis of shared values, and we are much louder and much more annoying when people violate those basic values.

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

To be fair, it took a huge Reddit exodus for Lemmy to stop being full-blown work camp supporting communist. I'm sure if enough to right wing trolls showed up, this place would change again too

[–] rivan@lemm.ee 41 points 1 week ago

We are fortunate then, that the upcoming generation of conservatives cannot read.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago

That's a good point, but at least the views would reflect those of the majority rather than being algorithmically-manipulated as on Twitter or Facebook.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 118 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey it isn't nice to beat up people who only want to seriously hurt and maim you, your family and your friends.

[–] tinyvoltron@discuss.online 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Right? What happened to tolerance?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

What happened to tolerance is quite clear, to the point that it has a name, it is called the paradox of tolerance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+paradox+of+tolerance+is%2Cthe+very+principle+of+tolerance

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 96 points 1 week ago (5 children)

We should keep them all trapped on twitter forever.

It's a good containment zone for the trash.

If you see someone supporting Trump tell them to go back to twitter and block them

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[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It’s not that these groups are full of true liberals, it’s that much of the population isn’t tolerant of lies and misinformation. So it seems that “conservatives” are being targeted.

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I've seen people be objectively correct but assholes with their delivery and get fucking blasted on here. Regardless of politics I'd youre a prick you get vibe checked.

[–] Sho@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As it should be. I'm tired of lying and "alternative facts" being the new normal.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Conservatives are often so completely full of shit it isn't funny.

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Well, bluesky isn't the fediverse, but the point stands.

[–] Gigliorananomicom@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I'm ignorant af tbh 😅 Thanks for the clarification

[–] DerArzt@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago

I think Mastodon would be what you're looking for.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 28 points 1 week ago

Bluesy is a business, Mastodon is a community tool that runs on the ActivityPub (same as Lemmy which is what we are talkin on).

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[–] Ascend910@lemmy.ml 59 points 1 week ago (9 children)

They are slowly leaking into lemmy.world, my friends living in .world please try your best to hold your position there. Don't let them break through

[–] nekbardrun@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

At this point, I think we should invite back hexbear tankies to roll over the conservatives and "centrist" in .world

I'm half joking, but there may be some truth in that.

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[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So much harder to manufacture consent without centralized gatekeepers

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Just had to block someone that said wanting a democracy and not supporting a dictatorship was "Chasing perfection at the cost of the good".

[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago

That's wild given a dictatorship has the whole issue of succession, even with a perfectly benevolent leader they gonna die one day.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 47 points 1 week ago (3 children)

God, imagine that... we switch to federated and the Nazis can no longer hide behind "Just asking questions" and getting the site admins to bully people.

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[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago
[–] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I like this.

I think it should be Mastodon & Lemmy though.

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I haven't seen too many conservatives on Lemmy, but Bluesky is a fine example of how if you deplatform and cut off the oxygen of fascists and leave them talking to themselves, they really do fade into the background.

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Whenever beating up fascists and their sympathizers is a question the answer is always yes >:3

[–] Vinstaal0@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (10 children)

The only issue I have with this is that this fules the generalisation of politics even more. There is a lot more of a nuance in politics than just left/right or conservatives/liberals etc. You see this more in countries with more politics parties. It’s not an either or but a spectrum.

But this meme really suits the current climate of Shitter and the US politic system

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[–] Nanowith@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

They really are fragile folk, they need to diminish others in order to feel important and special.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 17 points 1 week ago

Sorry conservative snowflakes, there's no central authority to cry to when get bullied for being a scumbag.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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