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After USB-C win, EU tells Tim Cook that Apple must 'open up its gates to competitors'.::The iPhone 15 has USB-C, a move largely due to impending legislation in the European Union requiring smartphones and other...

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[-] BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf 114 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Finally someone is fighting those companies that take advantage of controlling the platforms.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 66 points 1 year ago
[-] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can't happen soon enough. Personally, I'd wish this would go much further and would allow every device to be flashable, with only a few exceptions for safety, like cars.

There's also a certain irony that certain other places will go to bat for right to repair, and then turn around and say "Actually, I want to live in a walled garden.", not realizing that these are two sides of the same coin.

[-] KrokanteBamischijf@feddit.nl 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

with only a few exceptions for safety, like cars.

No. There are three main bullshit arguments being used by lobbyists actively making the world a worse place by fighting against this type of legislation.

  • safety and security
  • intellectual propery rights
  • hindering innovation

All three are demonstrably used in hearings to convince legislators to not sign right to repair bills into law. And all three are absolute bullshit.

Replacing the brakes on your own car is not generally seen as introducing safety risks, so why would software be any different? The only things that actually make cars safe are competent drivers (wether flesh and bone, or digital) and proper manufacturing (so no malfunctioning during use).

There is a reason full self driving is not legal in most places worldwide, and likely won't be for a very long time. We've seen too many examples of software fuck ups and the legal responsibility in case of an accident is still a difficult part of the equation.

If we're able to integrate full infotainment systems into cars, and all kinds of AI gadgets for driving assistance. We should be able to make cars safer even if the software is user servicable.

No more gatekeeping bullshit.

[-] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 4 points 1 year ago

Good point.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Add newline between line 1 and 2

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[-] uis@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

with only a few exceptions for safety, like cars.

Safety means extra-flashable.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah man, can't wait to be sharing the road with people running custom ROMs on their 2 ton death machine. People are well known for being responsible in situations like that.

[-] pandacoder@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Quite frankly why the hell should I trust any publicly traded automaker to flash quality software?

Some of them have a track record for quantifying the cost of fixing an issue versus cost of settling lawsuits for that unfixed issue killing people.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why would I trust an unaccountable rando with the same thing? One has a brand they need to uphold, and are liable for any kind of damages caused by their firmware.

When Joe Shmo crashes his soft-modded Honda Civic into a crowd of people, who's going to pay for the damage and lawsuits, etc.?

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

because roadways are so safe and free from accidents as is.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Right, exactly. We don't need more.

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[-] watcher@nopeeking.link 41 points 1 year ago

How about Apple laptops next, including specs to write drivers.

[-] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago

Also how about not forcing everybody to use Apple hardware to compile their apps? How about allowing xcode competititors and running on different hardware? Allowing to emulate macos/ios?
Fuck apple.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Also how about not forcing everybody to use Apple hardware to compile their apps?

It's a thing? Can't you just gcc binary into existence?

Fuck apple.

Fuck Putin. Fuck apple too.

[-] paperplane@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

In principle you can, the Mach-O format is openly documented and implemented in the major compilers. The issue is that you need a sysroot (aka SDK) of the frameworks and headers for your target OS, which in Apple's case are proprietary and cannot be redistributed legally (you could probably rip them out of a macOS installation yourself though). For iOS apps you'd also need to sign the binaries and install the app to the device which is non-trivial to impossible to do on other platforms.

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[-] uis@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

including specs to write drivers.

Whoa, that's super strong move. I 100% support it. Sadly, I'm not in EU. Faust bless EU, they have really big potatoes.

[-] sebinspace@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I mean first you have to get politicians to understand what the hell a “driver” is, and no, Gretchen, it’s not Uber.

[-] watcher@nopeeking.link 2 points 1 year ago

Lucky for you they would be super unlikely to change the hardware so much that you wouldn't benefit from "European" drivers in another region.

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[-] SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 32 points 1 year ago

I would love to see the looks on the Apple execs' faces when they learn news like this. Those greedy cunts must get a rage boner every time they're forced to act like decent world citizens

[-] UFO64@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Honestly, so long as people keep buying their phones they really don't care about this kind of stuff. Sure, it was a way to drive up margins for a while, but they will just move onto their next bag of tricks to make it hard to leave.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

'Security' is apple's version of 'think of the children'.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I love that the company famous for their 1984 ad tells you they know what software’s best for you to run on a device you own. Very big brother. I really hope iOS 18 third party stores aren’t geo locked to the EU; I wouldn’t put it past them.

[-] TheOSINTguy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

If the iPhone becomes flashable, I bet apple will try and make it very difficult for people to flash it.

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[-] Water1053@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Can we start with RCS integration or opening the iMessage protocol?

[-] spudwart@spudwart.com 5 points 1 year ago

Ah, victory.

[-] Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

I hope that leads to bootleg iPhones for 1/10th of the price. Could finally convince me to buy one over an Android.

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