this post was submitted on 21 Jan 2025
388 points (98.7% liked)

196

18073 readers
788 users here now

Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.


Rule: You must post before you leave.



Other rules

Behavior rules:

Posting rules:

NSFW: NSFW content is permitted but it must be tagged and have content warnings. Anything that doesn't adhere to this will be removed. Content warnings should be added like: [penis], [explicit description of sex]. Non-sexualized breasts of any gender are not considered inappropriate and therefore do not need to be blurred/tagged.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact us on our matrix channel or email.

Other 196's:

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
(page 2) 33 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] marius@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What if someone doesn't produce any cells?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago
[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Gender abolitionist Trump.

[–] Karcinogen@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I thought sex was determined at time of fertilization by the chromosomes. If a sperm carrying a Y chromosome meets an egg carrying an X chromosome, won't the resulting fetus always be male? Is that not the case?

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

Initial development trends toward "female" characteristics. If an embryo has XY chromosomes then normally a gene on the Y chromosome will start to express which pivots development toward "male" characteristics.

If there's a mutation on the responsible part of the Y chromosome then that expression may not happen stunting the development of "male" characteristics.

Certain disorders can prevent the development of sex organs entirely which can lead to the testes failing to develop and subsequent hormone releases to not happen stunting the development of "male" characteristics.

Other disorders can result in the initial sex organ development, but prevent adequate hormone production which stunts the development of "male" characteristics.


Since "male" characteristics occur later in the development cycle (and not always when they're otherwise "supposed" to) at the point of conception all zygotes are of "the sex that produced the large reproductive cell" and since the current administration views zygotes as fully developed people the current administration accidentally classified all humans as female.


Incidentally there being multiple methods by which one's sex can be determined incongruously from the typical indication of one's chromosomes is just one reason why anti-trans bigotry is stupid.

[–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 5 months ago

Edge cases exist, some people are xxx, xxy, xyy etc.

General concensus is that if there's a Y in the mix you're biologically male at birth but it's a bit of a grey area

[–] WordBox@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is how it is, but id like to hear the argument otherwise.

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is how it is

This is in fact not how it is--hence the down votes.

Sex determination is a complicated mechanism that isn't solely reliant upon chromosomes.

The "XX is female and XY is male" take is a reductionist rudimentary explanation for the nominal case used to teach children about the basics. In reality there are more combinations than just those two for human chromosomes, and there are situations that cause different manifestations and development periods regardless of one's chromosomes.

Sure, most of the time that's how it is, but it isn't universal. Which is why using some pseudoscientific "chromosomal truther" interpretation to define either sex or gender is a bad, alienating ideology.

[–] WordBox@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ok you explained that that was the kid version but didn't explain the not kid version.

Zygote is XY or XX (at conception, which is generally understood as male, female) ??? Male baby, female baby

It's the ??? Or before part that I'm struggling to understand. Is it the low percentage of deviations that make it not definite at conception?

Fwiw I want you to be right. I see that gonadal sex is effectively female until male, but again the male part was predefined at conception.

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

This comment by ragebutt goes into more cases that can occur beyond the normal case which can result in XX =/=> female baby and and XY =/=> male baby.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›