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[–] MakingWork@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

With Charlie Angus leaving, I'm curious if North Eastern Ontario will stay NDP. I hear a lot of people support the conservative party.

Who will replace him?

[–] SamuelRJankis@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I really can't understand how Jagmeet has been allowed to lead for so long with the results he's had and Charlie didn't even get a shot.

And then there's this. How do NDP members defended him barely beating Niki Ashton.

And yet, in the end, the result was not even close. Angus β€” with 19 per cent of the vote β€” not only finished more than 30 points behind Singh, he barely beat Niki Ashton (17 per cent) for second place.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/in-ndp-leadership-race-charlie-angus-was-dealt-the-hardest-blow-h-bert/article_952370e1-9d86-51f4-bd3d-cf41199878d3.html

[–] smokebuddy@lemmy.today 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm in the region and myself and everyone I know have gotten text spam from the CPC last week and for the past month or so our local news has been heavy with editorials and CPC features pumping themselves up. I don't think Sudbury has had a proper poll done in any of the past elections other than maybe mayoral, would be interesting if anyone bothers to fund one this round.

[–] MakingWork@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

I hear a lot of pro-CPC in the area too. I think there may actually be a shift.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 4 points 3 weeks ago

With Charlie Angus leaving, I’m curious if North Eastern Ontario will stay NDP.

It's really, really hard to say. Charlie Angus' riding and the other NDP-held riding up here have been redrawn by the last redistricting. The other current NDP MP in the area, Carol Hughes, is also not running for re-election. Both of them have held their posts for quite a long time, so there may be enough lingering pro-NDP sentiment in the far north to get their successors elected.

Most of the other ridings are currently Liberal-held, with at least one of those incumbents not running for re-election either. I have no idea what direction anything's going to jump in. It may come down to who the candidates are, as much as anything about the parties.

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Inrespect Charlie, but presently NDP is doing poorly countering PP ascendance

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He didn't say CPC couldn't win, he said PP was gonna be a shit leader.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean the fact he refuses to get security clearance to find out who may or may not be a fox in the henhouse...that right there says enough for me to believe that having him in charge would be catastrophic.

[–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Translation: He's the fox, knows the fox, or is under the influence of the fox, already knows, and he's TOTALLY fine with it because it confers money or power on him.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

That's my personal assumption too

[–] Anykey@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] MetaCubed@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Ignore the bait folks...

[–] Anykey@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

How is this a bait - comparing to the evil globalists with performative reformist policies that are factually neo-liberal, even PP is better.

[–] Mettled@reddthat.com -5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

As strong as Pollievre seems, he is still very much beatable but only from the right. All attacks and criticisms of Pollievre have been 100% exclusively from the left, those will never stick. But if someone goes at him hard from the right, he does have some wide gaps.

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

right wing learned to consolidate (US, Alberts, and now... BC with Libs just plain converting to Con) Left does not and under present electoral system Left will be in disadvantage in perpetuity. (I know Libs are not left, but they are further Left than Cons)

[–] Mettled@reddthat.com -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There is a difference, sometimes a large difference, between liberal and leftist, but yes they are both to the left of conservative. It's too bad that the Conservative party does not allow for libertarian voices. I suspect that the powers in charge of the Conservative party are strictly right wing and only tolerate conservative individuals so that the party can keep its prestige but block libertarianism because that could bring too much transparency.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Through context I'm pretty sure by Libertarian you mean the modern American definition....not the original definition. If you mean the original definition, I have no idea why a classic Libertarian would even want to join the Tories... seeing as originally a Libertarian was closer in ethos to an anarchist than the current cryptobro, I want to remove just enough government oversight to diddle kids and do meth.... actually even modern Libertarians wouldn't align with the Torie nanny state policing people's bedrooms. The only thing they probably agree on is checking children's genitals so "boys can't play girl sports".... Just saying.

[–] Mettled@reddthat.com -1 points 3 weeks ago

I think I can agree to some of what you say, I distinguish it as being the difference between right libertarian vs left libertarian. While they both agree on cutting government regulations, cutting government soending, cutting government power, I would argue that a right libertarian has more in common with a conservative, although also some very large differences, than a right libertarian has in common with a left libertarian.