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‘Capitalism is dead. Now we have something much worse’: Yanis Varoufakis on extremism, Starmer, and the tyranny of big tech::In his new book, the maverick Greek economist says we are witnessing an epochal shift. At his island home, he argues it’s now the ‘fiefdoms’ of tech firms that shape us

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[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago

He's not wrong. We're only a few years away from the big five in the US owning all of our land in one way or another. It's like a corporate showdown at this point. The government did nothing to stop this conglomeration of assets and wealth.

[-] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 11 months ago

The government did nothing to stop this conglomeration of assets and wealth.

Being owned by those megacorps is a prerequisite for holding office. Why would they do anything to stop their benefactors?

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

He's referring not to a land grab but cloud capital charging rent to the capitalist class. Essentially creating a class as far above the capitalist as the capitalist is above the worker.

Listened to a good interview with him on a podcast last night after trying to read this shit article.

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[-] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's just capitalism. But I guess when you benefit so greatly from the system, you can't risk rocking the boat by talking about it openly. So you have to invent scary new names to smokescreen the root of the matter. "Technofeudalism", "Neo feudalism", "corporatism", "crony capitalism" etc, is such crap. It's still just capitalism.

Ignoring the ridiculous manner in which the article is written, look at the clownish arguments being made.

He charges rent. Which isn’t capitalism, it’s feudalism.

I know you have an island home dickhead, but the rest of us have been paying plenty of rent under capitalism.

[-] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Greece has 6000 islands.

His lives in a house on one the 227 inhabited ones.

He pays his rent writing books and giving talks against capitalism., sharing what he learned in his time as Greek finance minister, when the EU and Germany were crushing Greece with debt and forcing neoliberal policies on them the detriment of its citizens and for the benefit of the banks.

What are your plans for today ?

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[-] teamonkey@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

Capitalism has a definition. He’s saying that the markers that define Capitalism (as opposed to Mercentilism, Feudalism, etc.) are no longer there.

Specifically he’s saying that you can now no longer be on the top rung by privately owning the means of production, which is probably the biggest hallmark of Capitalism.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 9 points 11 months ago

When you consider the definition of fascism is (as defined by the comintern) "the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic and most imperialist elements of finance capital.", it's hard not to feel we are sliding into an insidious, new and distinct, technological form of it.

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If you think of society through the view of class hierarchy, Jeff and people like him have created a class of power above capitalist. As far above capitalist as the boss is above the worker.

That's what he's meaning.

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[-] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

The article really doesn't engage much with what YV actually wrote; she says that she disagrees with him sometimes or that other people disagree, but with very little substance.

Like others have already commented, she's also excessively obsessed with describing his house and wife. I can't believe The Observer paid for her to fly out there to write such drivel.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 24 points 11 months ago

Whatever they call it, it's shit for humans to live in.

[-] BitingChaos@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

"Capitalism is dead. Now we have something much worse"

Capitalism 2.

[-] HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

He's spoken on the topic elsewhere, at least a few interviews (on youtube). That'll be better than this slop - edit: the Guardian was co-opted by the UK securlty state after cops raided them soon they did their reporting on Edword Snowdon.

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Yeah, this interview is pretty bad.

But this post did turn me onto his ideas and found an interview with him on a podcast last night that was really good.

[-] simon574@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

But this post did turn me onto his ideas and found an interview with him on a podcast last night that was really good.

This one? https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2022/04/16/unlike-feudalism-techno-feudalism-is-born-of-the-triumph-of-capital-ku-podcast-interview/

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[-] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It died when socialism became a corporate only condition. Now its corporate capitalism with government socialism.

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