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[–] orclev@lemmy.world 210 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I have so many questions, none of which are answered by the article. Was the flavor really picked by an AI? If so, how did they train the AI? What kind of AI was this? What other flavors did it come up with? Did they try a bunch of them and this was the best one they could get?

This whole thing just screams marketing stunt to me, and not a particularly good one. I can't wait for this whole AI thing to just die out already. How is it that every tech fad seems to somehow end up being even dumber than the previous one (although I think the whole NFT thing might have set a new low bar)?

[–] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

It’s just the latest in a long line of experimental, conceptual Coke flavours. Honestly, it’s something I’ve been saying for years; stop being constrained by imitating “real” flavours and let the flavour scientists loose, let 'em go nuts.

So far they've done:
Space (I liked that, hints of toasted carmel and raspberries)
Dream (Also good, a little bubblegummy, a little cotton candy-y, a little mangolike)
Transformation (Awful, like coke with coconut oil and a hint of turpentine)
Byte (Just decent, kind of indescribable)
Pixel (I never got to try it, it was US only, but by all descriptions it wasn't great)
Movement (A bit like theatre butter and cinnamon, it was okay but wasn't a fan)

And now AI flavour. I plan to give it a shot, but I don't expect much after their last two Tech-y flavours were eh.

[–] smollittlefrog 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Where do you get all these Coca Cola flavours? I'm in Germany and have only ever seen vanilla, lemon, cherry and life (next to the default, light and zero).

[–] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago

I get them at my normal grocery store (in Canada). They're limited time, they rotate in and out, so maybe you just missed them, or maybe they're an NA thing.

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[–] alternative_factor@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're totally right, everyone knows that blue has been one of the best flavors for a long time, yet most companies are scared because blue "isn't real".

[–] ripcord@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

how can blue be real if blueberries arent real

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tried the XP flavored coke that is marketed towards gamers and I couldn't really tell a difference between it and Coca-Cola Classic™. Maybe it has a slightly bit more licoricish flavor? I couldn't tell because I was too busy leveling up with all of the XP I was gaining while drinking it.

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[–] walrusintraining@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They probably trained it using data from their Coca-Cola freestyle dispensers if you’ve used one. That’s my guess.

[–] radix@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People like Vanilla and people like Grape, so here's Vanilla-Grape by CokeAI!

Sounds horrifyingly plausible.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Chriszz@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The answer is simple. They’re using blockchain NFTs to reach new market growth using AI to provide flavor solutions to consumers

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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

“Unsurprisingly, ‘Diarrhea Sasquatch Xtreme’ hit the mark yet failed to wow test groups,” is likely one of many test flavors removed from the article for PR reasons.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The press release they link to is not especially forthcoming with information either and all they can get in terms of details is from that press release and tasting it themselves.

[–] ripcord@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm guessing it was as as much an "AI" thing as everything was "i-something" about 20 years ago, or a bunch of stuff, even video game consoles, were the "something something computer" 40 years ago

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Companies using AI in a stupid way will die out, but the models themselves are far too useful for certain job fields (probably not yours or you wouldn't be comparing it to NFT's) for them to ever die. They're going to expand and become integrated into the data environment.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I don't know what their ai process looks like, what kind of data they trained it on, etc.

But annecdotally, I've played around a bit with chatgpt making cocktail recipes, and it's been surprisingly good at it. They sometimes need a little fine-tuning but they tend to get you in a pretty close ballpark, it's made some interesting suggestions I probably wouldn't have thought of, but nothing that turned out to be bad.

A lot of recipes tend to follow some pretty well-established ratios which means they can be broken down into some sort of mathematical formula which is something computers can actually do pretty well, and it's often just a matter for swapping out one ingredient or combination of them for another that is similarly salty/sweet/bitter/sour/umami.

For example a standard recipe for punch is 1 part sour, 2 of sweet, 3 of strong (liquor of your choice), 4 of weak (tea, juice, soda, water, etc.) and you can mix and match just about any ingredients that fit those profiles and get a drinkable punch.

I'm sure a company like coke probably has a long list of flavorings with known and well-documented flavor profiles that an ai trained on a list of proven recipes could mix and match with all day long.

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[–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You mean to tell me that a flavour designed by an algorithm that can't taste or smell, or even actually think, is bad? I'm shocked.

[–] WiseassWolfOfYoitsu@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Apparently Watson, the IBM AI that won Jeopardy, is actually pretty good at making recipes. That said, this is because it analyzes chemical compositions of known good recipes to find the compounds that make us like them and finds things that can produce similar profiles, rather than just sticking strings of text together in new ways.

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[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow no shit, it's going to be very annoying to see every single company try to slap AI onto their product in order to market it until the hype dies down

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[–] StarkillerX42@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The problem probably was that Coke isn't in the soda creating business. People already drink a ridiculous amount of sodas. Coke is in the soda cheapening business, the only thing left for them to do is cut corners until making soda costs nothing. New sodas are just an opportunity for them to redefine cheap to a new low. This is why you should buy independent, small scale soda companies. Their entire business model is making something better than Coke.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Coke is in the branding business, IMHO.

They do a lot more advert creation than they do drink creation.

Pretty much all modern branded consumer goods invest way more on brand recognition and the kind of advertising that says nothing about quality and is purelly designed to create a subconsciously association they brand and positive feelings and/or make it seem socially fashionable (you know the kind: happy friends around a campfire having fun with package-of-branded-good on their hands)

(Those things are actually funny to analyse: generally drinks do "social/trendy", perfumes do "sex", cars do "freedom")

At some point in the 60s in the US a nephew of Freud (I kid you not!) introduced actual teachings from the Science of Psychology into Advertising and since then consumers of large brands have been mostly manipulated via that kind of psychologically manipulative advert. Nowadays you pretty much only see other kinds of adverts for cases like small brands trying to expand brand recognition (something the likes of Coka-Cola doesn't need), and for the rest seldom are the actual qualities of the product being sold mentioned.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The last few flavors they came out with that were supposedly not AI created also sucked.

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know why they don't just put the coke back. It'd definitely sell better than any of their recent attempts.

Step 1. Use Coca Cola tier money and influence to end the stupid drug war, changing the trajectory of millions of lives and breaking the cycle of incarceration.

Step 2. Receive praise for the immense social good you've done and bask in the once in a century marketing opportunity.

Step 3. Put the cocaine back in Coke bitch fuck yeahhhhh

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

See Futurama already explored this problem with Bender. As a robot, he can't taste food, but he learned the secret to Ultimate Flavor. It's hallucinogenics. Coca-Cola co. forgot to drop acid into their AI-generated soda. And I'm not talking about the kind that strips rust off of bumpers. Coke has enough of that in it already.

[–] LennethAegis@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, the secret ingredient was water. Ordinary water. Laced with nothing more than a few spoonfuls of LSD.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the sort of idea I'd have expected from Jack Donaghy on 30 Rock

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[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Prompt: "AI, create a soda flavor!"

The response: "Heres a recipe for a soda flavor... 1C corn syrup, 2C carbonated water, 1tsp your choice of food coloring. I could have prefaced this recipe with 10 paragraphs explaining the history of soda littered with browser breaking ads, but I am not a sociopath."

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Of course an AI would use shitty imperial measurements instead of metric

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Chatgpt can be a cool way to generate ideas for flavours. It's ultimately a tool. That means there needs to be someone to actually test, tweak and verify those ideas, which at that point it's no longer AI generated.

[–] ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Surprising no one.

[–] theragu40@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was really hoping this was an article with early sales numbers showing it's a flop. I already assumed it was going to taste bad, that feels like a given to me. I want it to be a failure in sales so this kind of thing stops happening.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It will do well in sales initially due to FOMO, but I am guessing it won't last due to it not tasting especially interesting.

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[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Coke Y3000 sounds like it was supposed to be the kind of thing that would be used in a metaverse tie-in promo.

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[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can't wait until my King Arthur AI-Generated Flour turns out to be a 5 pound bag of uncut cocaine.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

"You, too, can lift Excalibur from the stone."

Motto on the cocaine bag

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[–] theodewere@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

i'm gonna give you marketing geniuses a call when i need a Future Coke..

it'll be in The Future..

[–] CherryRedDragon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Ok, but I read that sentence near the beginning as "The massive beverage company has trapped an artificial intelligence to serve as its advisor" and I think it'd be neat if corporations had to patiently lie in wait for an unsuspecting AI to come along and bait it with some tasty data before they can use it.

[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

You can taste the silicon!

[–] reallynotnick@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What Coke offshoots have actually landed? Like Zero, Diet, Cherry, Vanilla and maybe Lemon?

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[–] Jikal@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

MSG and truffle oil with a splash of hazelnut spread

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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it was a bad flavor, it tasted like if you went to one of these Coke Freestyle machine and mixed a little bit of every flavor of Coca Cola together: A generically sweet, artificial fruity flavor.

The packaging are pretty cool though.

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[–] JohnWorks@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

The flavor tasted like a sprite but with a fruity aftertaste to me. Honestly didn’t know any ai involvement with the drink when I initially got it I just like trying the coke creations flavors. Starlight was still my favorite.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I guess they didn't learn from their Coke Classicdebacle.

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