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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

This is not funny, and it misrepresent what freedom of speech is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech#As_a_negative_right

As a negative right:
Freedom of speech is usually seen as a negative right.[22] This means that the government is legally obliged to take no action against the speaker based on the speaker's views, but that no one is obliged to help any speakers publish their views, and no one is required to listen to, agree with, or acknowledge the speaker or the speaker's views. These concepts correspond to earlier traditions of natural law and common law rights.[23]

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

It also misrepresented the reasons for removal.

It was spammy, many of them seemed… uh… racist. None were particularly funny, and most seem fairly low effort.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Removing is a positive action to suppress though. Supporting rights also tends to mean supporting shitty people as they are most likely to have them infringed.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To not facilitate your opinion no matter how well founded on a private forum, is not violating free speech.
You can make your own forum, and spew your idiocy there.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's violating the idea of free speech, possibly not the law. They are very different things. Opponents of free speech like to cite the law as all that matters.

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The idea of free speech? Seriously? The idea is that the individual is free of tyranny to express ideas and viewpoints that run counter to authority. It has never had the concept that you are free to say what you want where you want. That is why free speech demonstrations have to happen on PUBLIC property. The side walk, a park, outside a publicly accessible government office. The instant you cross the threshold into a private space, the owner's free speech protections override yours. They have the right to moderate the speech that is expressed in THEIR space. Tyranny, by definition, can only be exerted by government or government-like entities. The owner of a private space does not have the authority or power to be tyrannical. That term may often be thrown around inappropriately, but when it comes to these conversations, we should always be cognizant of the actual realities and definitions of the terms.

Not to put together a strawman, but if it worked the way you are expressing there would be nothing stopping Burger King from hiring a bunch of people to go into McDonalds with signs and bullhorns to express that McD's is shit and BK is better. If McD's did not have the right to mediate the speech that occurred in their property, then they could not say or do anything. It is the same as if someone came in and started making racist remarks openly about patrons and employees. They have the right to remove this person. The same principal extends to online communities. If someone is exercising speech that the owner of the community space does not want spread on their platform, they have the right to remove that speech and the person exercising it.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 41 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Here's a much better comic on the subject:

https://m.xkcd.com/1357/

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 12 points 7 months ago

The alt text is awesome:

I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"Why should I adhere to or obey the rules of the place I'm posting to? I didn't even bother to read them!" - A real genius

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 4 points 7 months ago

You're more than welcome to make your own instance and host whatever you like yourself. That's the beauty of the fediverse. We then can decide if we want to federate or not with you.

No admin is obligated to host what you post.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Modlog entries for actions OP is complaining about / screenshot of modlog (8 removed posts with reasons related to spam). At least 5 or 6 of these were posted within a 24-hour period.

Excerpts from sidebar of !comicstrips@lemmy.world:

  • The comic must be a complete story.

[...]

  • If you are posting a comic of your own, a maximum of one per week is allowed (I know, your comics are great, but this rule helps avoid spam). [Emphasis added]

Some of the images OP posted may not have passed the "complete story" test but there's no question that they went over the weekly maximum. @kasagawa@lemmy.world, I'd recommend reading the sidebar and learning the rules of the communities you're posting in.