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Flights are avoiding Russian airspace after the Azerbaijan Airlines crash (www.businessinsider.com)

submitted 9 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

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An Azerbaijan Airlines flight crashed after sustaining damage over Russia, killing 38.
The plane was likely hit by Russian air defense before the crash, BI reported Thursday.
Several airlines, including Azerbaijan Airlines, El Al, Flydubai, and Qazaq Air, are canceling flights to Russia, citing passenger safety and risks.

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[+] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 146 points 9 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think the major ones already have been.

[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Emirates flying from Dubai to Houston takes the yolo route and flys straight north into Iran and over Russia. That was a tense return flight for me.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

pretty sure it won't be an emirates flight getting shot. The UAE are pretty strong supporters of Russia.

Conversely, Azerbaijan is rather friendly with Ukraine.

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If they were going to deliberately target passenger airliners they wouldnt do it over their own soil. This is a major embarrassment that reflects poorly on the quality of their equipment and personnel.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It’s not necessarily some intentional conspiracy, but rather the question of care and communication, etc.

Everyone knows their IFF is dogshit. There’s a surprising regularity to airlines being shot down, even before the war.

A UAE-based airline’s planes are going to be less likely to fall through the cracks, so to speak, than an Azerbaijan-based airline’s

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Everyone knows their IFF is dogshit. There’s a surprising regularity to airlines being shot down, even before the war.

Which is crazy because all those airliners are squawking ADS-B while in the air, it’s not some complicated IFF system like you’d find on a fighter jet. Shit, I can pick up ADS-B when airliners fly over my house with a cheap ass SDR dongle and antenna.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Part of it might also be that sometimes, military or intelligence flights might squawk ads-b with a spoofed signal to blend into the overall traffic.

It isn’t that they didn’t know they were there, it’s that they didn’t believe the ID. It’s not just the hardware that’s the problem. (The hardware is dogshit, but so are the people using it. People are part of the system, too, and they’re fairly poorly trained.)

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I flew Turkish from Istanbul to Muscat (was supposed to be from Frankfurt but missed our connection) (edit: how did I forget to mention that we flew over much of IRAN?!?). I was pretty chill about it, even fascinated to be flying over this country full of history and conflict of my own, but chose not to tell my wife until we landed.

That was also in 2019. While I wouldn't worry much about flying that route again, the world was a bit of a different place then.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yup, flew to the Philippines a few weeks ago from JFK straight through Russia and China. For some reason there’s never any WiFi on that flight, but there is on the return flight which goes straight east from Manila over the pacific to JFK 🧐

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Go the other way...

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Pretty simple poem but I guess it works

[–] Lootboblin@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

Because they thought that they were Putin’s homies.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 9 months ago

Because their destination was within the Russian federation? The more egregious act was denying them the ability to perform an emergency landing on Russian soil, forcing them to fly over the Caspian Sea all while jamming their ability to access GPS .

[–] zingo@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago

Commercial flights really should stay away from war zones.

Should be a mandatory safety law.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

And its not like airliners need to do a whole lot of work routing aircraft around them. Just use the old routes from when the Soviets were kicking and you should mostly be right. China has made a bit more rules since then, but I think they are really the only other major country with weird restrictive airspace.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 9 months ago

...or malicious autocratic countries.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Because Russia is a huge country that’s hard to avoid, especially from Europe to Asia.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 9 months ago

It's not hard. It's expensive

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (3 children)

News outlets need to stop calling it a fucking CRASH when we can see the fucking holes in the plane.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The audacity of saying "reason of crash are unclear, it might have been a bird strike" when the camera panned on the holes...

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 3 points 9 months ago

"Da, we have aggressive birds. Fly right through planes. Sideways through hull and explode. Very dangerous, only exist in Russia."

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 months ago

Well it technically did crash.

(After loss of control of the plane, caused by missile hitting the plane)

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 4 points 9 months ago

Those are clearly from the birds going through the fuselage (/s)

[–] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

With their history of "bird strikes" I can see why.

[–] spiritsong@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

If that one advert is to believed, even Santa Claus got shot down flying over Russian space.

And that was days before this needless tragedy.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe don't fly near conflict areas, regardless who's side you're on.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 months ago

This was near the Azerbaijan border, thousands of kilometers away from the front lines

[–] SecretSauces@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Russia's tourism industry is really gonna take a hot from this.