-25
submitted 1 week ago by Renfield@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
all 22 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] davel@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's been about 9 years since the Western left took its idpol turn

Define your terms.

  • What happened 9 years ago?
  • What exactly is “idpol”?
  • What exactly is the “Western left”?

If I had to guess, I’d say that you watched a few YouTube videos selected for you by the YouTube algorithm, and then assumed everyone else in the Lemmyverse is in the exact same headspace as you.

My Marxist-Leninist conceptualization of what “Western left” and “idpol” mean might be very different from yours.

.
Previously: https://lemmy.ml/post/15667745/11073512

[-] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago

I had to look up "idpol" ... which is a simplification of the division.

The left wants to include all the diversity of underrepresented minorities. The right wants to ignore or erase instead.

The process has both helped and hurt. I have known countless people who feel like they could come out and be themselves, in the hope that society had finally reached a level of acceptance. And now, the right has shown how much judgement and hate still thrives.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

What event is this referring to?

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

That's when they started putting women in videogames 😔

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

That was my thought, but gamergate was 10 years ago. Also BLM. I think gay marriage might have been around then

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

If that’s the case, then by “Western left” they probably just mean liberals of the imperial core, who aren’t even left; they’re center-left at best.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

It's hilarious to read your question because, in the US at least, the right is so much more dogmatic about identity politics than the left.

[-] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

I don't think picking an arbitrary time of, like, 9 years ago is accurate for when the western left's "idpol turn" started. Labour rights and anti racism have always been closely intertwined causes and the trade unions have been closely aligned with queer groups since the 80's at least.

But whatever.

What has that accomplished?

Created a more organised front against the current reactionary pushes and helped getting marginalised people politically active despite the neoliberal attempt to crush grassroots political activism.

Who has it helped?

Plenty of people, myself for example: leftist agitation caused both a reform within the Welsh NHS' gender service to move away from antiquated gatekeeping and towards self-id and informed consent, while at the same time these same groups successfully pushed the Senedd to bring out free prescriptions. My poor, post-grad self wouldn't have had the time to fight to get a gender identity certificate nor the money to afford HRT treatment if it wasn't for the intersectional tactics of the "western left".

[-] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

You could argue the right is more focused on identity politics and for a longer time than the left.

The original meaning of idpol being doing politics as a matter of identity rather than ideas. It’s why you can get MAGAts to agree with you on a lot of stuff and disagree with the GOP, but they’ll still vote red, because their identity is republican.

[-] Gjolin@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

It helped liberals pinkwash their crimes. Reminds me of that meme of the B-54 on a bombing raid with the pride flag on its side.

[-] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I hate everything to do with identity politics. All it has done is divide us even more and caused more conflict between ordinary people.

this post was submitted on 27 Dec 2024
-25 points (22.2% liked)

Asklemmy

44255 readers
308 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy 🔍

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS