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Is US ditching India? (lemmygrad.ml)
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There is sharp increase of "India bad" news currently. Few years ago during their worst crackdown on Kashmir, western media completely ignored that, because US were using India against China. Even few months ago Biden went to India and explicitly told Modi US won't talk about any Indian atrocities. But now India refused to get on board of US sanctions and warmongering, so are they being ditched? Maybe even consent is being manufactured for some sort of imperialist aggression, especially that Russia plan failed and China look more and more impossible?

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[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. Quite the opposite. During the G20 Summit, India allowed U.S. jets to refuel in India. Whatever criticisms of India in western media is just that, mere talk.

The recent India sponsored assassination on western soil is the reason for the increased rhetoric. India killed a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil which is very different from atrocities committed on other side of the planet.

India also has cheap labor and sizable (top 5-10% earners) consumer base for western capitalists to sell to.

Also, India is looking to purchase American weapons.

[-] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

if india's doing this, i worry if india's going to end up causing trouble for the BRICS, essentially acting on/for usania's behalf

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

India is playing both sides. Besides, BRICS is more about economic cooperation than military. India will not join any anti-Russia alliance like NATO Plus but will happily join anti-China alliance like QUAD.

And yes there have been economic disagreements between India and China as well. Look at how the recent SCO meeting went.

[-] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

playing both sides is smart, just as long as you don't end up doing their bidding or becoming their puppet.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Absolutely this but we would have to see a major purge of the communists before this became a worry.

[-] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

What major purge of communists are you speaking of?

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

There are a lot of communists in India. If it became a full on proxy for the USA we would see some serious resistance.

[-] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I see this being said a lot but this is not true. There are a lot of communists in India, true, but this is just a consequence of the massive population. In relation to all the other political parties and groups, they account for barely 1% of the political power in the country.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Unfortunately communists have next to no power in the central government. They do not present any kind of threat that has an immediate need of purging.

[-] TripleZ@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

It's interesting how people are instantly assuming that India is responsible for the murder. It is based on what? The words of Trudeau, who tells us it's from an unnamed source (apparently the Five Eyes). We cannot have actual evidence because it's all Intelligence stuff. It's a "Trust us bro" moment, and I have no trust for the people who keep feeding us lies about Iraq, Russia, China, etc.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have no idea if it's true or not, but accusation coming from the govenment notorious of baseless accusing other countries like China, Russia, DPRK etc. of political murders, and the one being frequently used as test balloon by their southern neighbour for stupid diplomatic moves, should not be very believable without really strong evidence.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the circumstances surrounding Nijjar's death were suspicious even before Trudeau revealed it in the parliament. I read about it when the news came out in June and then I thought it was Hindu nationalists (who aren't that far away from the current Indian Government).

India had been publicly complaining about 'anti-national' elements in Canada even before the reveal

4th July: "Indian Consulate in San Francisco Set on Fire for the Second Time in 5 Months"

There were suspicious deaths of pro-Khalistan activists in Pakistan and the U.K. before.

July 2022: Indian Intelligence agency NIA Announces Cash Reward for Wanted Khalistan Tiger Force 'Terrorist'

Also note there was no generic 'We support rule of law' diplomatic message from India after Nijjar's death. I believe that India wants to be have an Israel like assassination program.

[-] TripleZ@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Well, other than convincing me that Nijjar might have been an actual terrorist, I still don't see how it's evidence that India did anything. The article about suspicious deaths even lays doubt on the claims: While his supporters claim that he was poisoned, reports suggest he had been suffering from blood cancer. The UK police later said they were not investigating the death because it was deemed “not suspicious”.

Either way, the point still stands that there is no evidence that has been presented. The constant claim of "we have 'credible' evidence that we cannot share" is a song-and-dance that I've seen too many times. Am I saying India didn't do it? No. Nor am I saying that they did it. The statements have had a negative impact for security both for Indian and Canadian citizens. At the very least, it would be in the public interest to release whatever evidence they claim they have.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yea i agree with you, Trudeau should have let the investigation get to courts before announcing anything. i don't know what his political motivations behind damaging relations with India was.

Nijjar wasn't a 'left-wing' separatist either I think. The Khalistan movement in general has been associated with very reactionary views.

what i was saying is that, India was pretty interested in getting him and why it doesn't sound too unreasonable.

[-] monobot@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This whole thing looks more and more like plain racism and nacism as days go by.

Now everyone not white or under direct white occupation by whites is being hated and everyone white is good, even (or especially) an ex SS officers.

Quite scary development of situation.

I think they are just very surprised that India has grown some spine in last decade or so, and are protecting their own interests.

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