I can hold out until it’s $19.99 – this is normal for me.

Me as a patient gamer: "I dont understand the problem."

This may be a shocker but games on the same level of scope as Cyberpunk 2077 take years of effort to make. We simply cannot pump them out as fast as consumers and shareholders demand their release.

Hello Games had a similar issue with No Man's Sky. Ubisoft also did with both Division games.

One of the few games I don't regret buying before release was Baldur's Gate 3 but that's an anomaly. Most games I'm happy to wait a year or more when it's in better shape.

This revisionism is quite tiring but I guess that the development companies are counting on it.

The problem with Cyberpunk was not "just bugs" but a 40 minutes video that tells lots of lies and was clearly stated as "fake" to drive up the hype for it.

What you see today was shown as if "ready" 4 years ago. And today we still can't see the hacking as shown in that video.

On top of that there are all the design decision that are simply terrible but no amount of patches will fix, like the looter shooter approach to loot, levels on enemies, etc etc.

Overall, it's not a matter of "realistic expectations". We were lied to and that's just it.

It would not be if most would stop buying pre-orders. However I am so far behind on my gaming library that I just use it to my advantage and wait.

With realistic expectations, the game has always been a good experience, imo of course. I did not follow any coverage of the game until after release, so I wasn’t sure of what to expect. I’m not excusing their shortcomings, but I feel like the community leaned hard into the “bad game circlejerk” as soon as it came out. I played once at release and got the worst ending. After edgerunners, I played it through three times, the last of which on very hard and with all the endings earned.

I enjoyed it! The 2.0 update is an interesting shakeup. I’m playing through a 4th time and having a good time

You're not buying a triple A game anymore. You're buying the idea of the game they want to sell you, and hoping they deliver.

They just added driving combat, which was in the launch trailer.

Cyberpunk is the ~~soul~~ sole reason I don’t preorder games anymore. Hype be damned.

For the I don't know how many times.... I was enjoying Cyberpunk 2077 in 2020. It wasn't BG3 quality but it was OK.

Increasing complexity, tighter deadlines, demand for highwr profit margins, decrease in education quality. Theres a lot of reasons and not all of them are necessarily bad. Its good that we can simulate what we can. I think the profit motive is just starting to show its ruinous powers as shareholders demand more and more.

Unfortunately, it's also here again with 2.0 so far. I started playing the game in 1.3, so this is the most buggy I've ever seen it. Vertex explosions, jumpy character animations, skills not working correctly, incorrect sound effects being played.

This is indeed the new normal, and I shouldn't expect Phantom Liberty to run smoothly next week either. If took months after the recent big Witcher 3 update for it to play okay on mid-spec systems.

I think I was happier when I still catching up on games from a couple generations ago. Now that I've done that, I keep running into this stuff. 😕

Don't forget to pre-order their latest DLC!

The only way the industry will learn is to simply not buy any if the shitty games. Plenty of other games out there that are worth it.

Starfield is currently a 4-5/10 game and by the time Modders will be done with it, probably a 9/10 game (10/10 if someone mods the whole main story out of the game).

But that's not what modders should be wasting their time on. They shouldn't be fixing the game.

Besides, the changes and oversimplifications Bethesda has made to the engine and the extraordinary announcement that the modkit will take a year to be released, will vastly delay the amount and quality of mods that will be released for the game.

Baldur's Gate was a 7/10 game on release, mostly due to the issues with Act 3. But they took all of a few weeks to fix the vast majority of major issues and bring the game upto 9/10. Every patch and hotfix they released fixed thousands of small and large issues.

Meanwhile Bethesda announced updates right after the game released, fixed like 4 progression breaking bugs and nothing else.

10 days after announcing they were working on bugfixes and patches, not a goddamn peep, not a single thing fixed beyond those 4 small fixes.

It's straight up disgusting how these corporations operate.

You didn't need to wait 3 years to enjoy it. That's on you.

It was a very different experience for me. I had a blast playing this game when first released and didn't find any game breaking moment. This could be due to me playing on PC? So with the latest patch I loaded up my V and found noting of merit had changed. Seriously I found it to be the same game with small UI and Skill changes. I was shocked to say the least, due to the enormous patch size. I still haven't left training NC so I might find more changes but so far it's still an enjoyable game.

New? Where have you been for 13 years

This is the new narrative for Cyberpunk 2077. I'm guessing cdprojekt greased some palms ahead of the new DLC release.

But make no mistake, and don't fall for it; cyberpunk is still a wholly buggy and unfinished game with extremely janky mechanics that will never be patched out.

If and only if you can overlook such issues, and I know from personal experience some can, should you consider paying for the new DLC.