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[–] macstainless@discuss.tchncs.de 97 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Oh it will as soon as the investors demand more ReTurN oN iNvEsTmEnT.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Then we leave that platform too. I have zero loyalty. Zero.

[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one 10 points 4 days ago

I only have it because my family chose that over Mastodon. Mastodon is better.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

But they'll have stragglers just the same as any major social media site. Even though many here have standards they won't easily abandon, there are scores of people that won't even know if/when AI started being used on the site or would care enough to leave if they did.

Plus every time we leave a platform we need to find or build a new one. The time it takes to get others to migrate and develop into a worthwhile community is hard to predict and it may not even work out. It sucks social media is such shit anymore, but it seems inevitable that it will remain that way given the landscape of the Internet at this point.

I say this as someone who's drifted from Fark to Digg to Reddit to Lemmy over the past 20-25 years 🎈 (zero loyalty as well)

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s a Public Benefit Corp structure, so legally investors have very little power.

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Until they restructure the way OpenAI did.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 55 points 4 days ago (2 children)
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[–] Exec@pawb.social 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] staticsoar@sh.itjust.works 36 points 4 days ago

Won't train AI on your posts ~~until we reach critical mass of users~~.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Well, WE won't train on your data. But this subsidiary company we created on the other hand..."

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Or one of our 12675 carefully selected partners

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......for now.

[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sounds exactly like something that someone intending to train an AI would say.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Does it?

OK, what would they say if they weren't planning on it?

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[–] Davel23@fedia.io 28 points 4 days ago

BlueskAI on the other hand...

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

If the AT protocol allows public access to content, they can’t create a proprietary training set. But the content is available for anyone who wants to add it to a public training set.

[–] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They also said it was decentralized which is not true.

I don't believe this.

well there's a protocol but everyone is on the main one, i don't think theres even a non personal instance.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 20 points 4 days ago

Trust me bro, just keep shit posing on here, we won't change out "ToS"

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's open to the public. So, many other orgs are certainly doing it anyway.

[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

The same can be said of lemmy, mastodon or any publically accessible forum

[–] bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Better BlueSky than Twitter, but I hope everyone understands by now that there’s literally no reason to take a business’s word for anything unless they somehow have legally obligated themselves to doing that thing forever. Otherwise you can only trust them to keep doing it for as long as it’s worth it from an economic perspective. I’m not saying that it can’t ever happen that a business acts out of pure goodwill, but only a fool would count on it.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Bluesky is VC backed. They'll want to make money down the road, and they'll definitely train AI soon if not already.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe the VC's are dying soon and they wanted to do something useful with their exorbitant wealth before they die

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago
[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Why is this taking off but not Mastadon?

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] mke@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Which marketing and better how, exactly?

Can anyone please point me an example of Bluesky marketing that isn't word of mouth or large-event headlines on the news?

[–] Woovie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

no, this place only circle jerks about the fediverse blindly and hates anything with a modicum of attachment to reality.

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 6 points 3 days ago

It's easier to use and has a recommendation algorithm.

[–] Takios@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Barrier of entry is marginally lower. With mastodon you'll have to make a decision on what instance you're creating your account. With Bluesky there's just Bluesky.

[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

With bluesky ,the sign up has a section where you choose a server. The bluesky server is prefilled. Otherwise you add your own.

But not having that default option and instead having to have the user go research and figure out which server to use is an immediate turn off.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 7 points 3 days ago

I've yet to hear a good argument for why it matters even if they did. I've made thousands of comments on Lemmy that are free for anyone to grab and do anything they want with. If I didn't want people to have access to them I wouldn't be posting on the first place.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Lol okay. Sounds good, bro.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago

"Don't be evil" ...

... for now

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I don't get it. They were rich beyond most people's wildest dreams. Why did they jump aboard the enshitification bandwagon?

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 11 points 4 days ago

They want to be rich beyond EVERYONE'S wildest dreams.

Why else?

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Public trading... it's capitalism. By law you have to try and extort every penny.

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Now that I think about it I'm not sure why they had to accept investor money at all. I wonder if it would have turned out differently if they had remained 100% privately owned?

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago

Because growth... Without the R&D money, Microsoft or Yahoo, or someone else would have figured out how to do what they do faster/better, waited until google was a forgotten name and then enshittified.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

When you make a lot of money, the number you see in your account starts to become part of your identity because it differentiates you between you and the people you see every day. The same way if I had blue curly hair, that would become a defining factor of where I “differ” from the general public. The numbers in one’s account becomes an obsession-point.

People get obsessed with the number and how much bigger they can make it. It’s like hoarding. No amount will ever be enough. And once you’re able to buy anything, the actual value of that money becomes meaningless. So even more drive to bring the number up because that’s the only novelty you are getting.

That and power.

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[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Money is power, and people with money like to habe power.

If someone else is pulling in more money, you're going to find yourself with less power.

These were a couple of PhD geeks who hit it big, it's certainly not inevitable that intelligent people get absorbed with money, see the creator of VLC for example. It's just sad that these guys could have been rich AND kept the internet 'pure' and research focused. But instead commerce has crept in and taken a shit on what was once a clean simple brilliant search service.

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[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 6 points 3 days ago

But did they pinky promise?

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago
[–] obinice@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Why not? Are my posts not good enough for you Mr Bluesky?

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

... for now

[–] residentmarchant@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

This seems like a clever way of saying they don't have an AI team or plans so they have no use for the data.

Brilliant!

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Who owns this? Another insane rich, right wing techie?

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