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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 57 points 1 month ago (23 children)

If you live in Europe and think your democratic system is resistant to these things: it's not.

Don't wait until your version of Trump gets elected. Start organizing now.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Italy elected Berlusconi (a corrupted tycoon who had ties with the mafia and bribed his way to the top of the Italian broadcasting world) in 1994. Y'all just catching up.

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[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Don't wait until your version of Trump gets elected. Start organizing now.

No worries, he already has been elected last year!

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[–] oktoberpaard@feddit.nl 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Absolutely, over here we’ve recently elected a horrible party as the biggest one, with 25% of the votes. Dark times.

The difference is that in many European countries the head of state is more of a ceremonial position (at least in practice) and the head of the government holds nowhere near the amount of power a US president does. With proportional representation, the biggest party often doesn’t have an absolute majority and needs to form a government together with other parties, or might even end up in the opposition. Together they agree on who’s going to be the head of government (usually the head of the largest party), who will be the ministers and what will be the policy. If it doesn’t work out because of disagreements, the government breaks up and new elections will be held.

My point is: the risk is real, populism is growing, policy is shifting, but the dynamics are different. Having a first past the post system and concentrating so much power into a single political position feels like an accelerator.

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[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 44 points 1 month ago

This is fascism 101.

Fascism is at least as much an economic system as a political one, or more precisely, it's more like an economic system hiding behind a political system.

And the way the economic system works is very simple - private ownership of the means of production combined with an overt and institutionalized revolving door between business and government, so that the end result is plutocratic oligarchy.

Basically, it's taking the system that already existed in the US, by which the wealthy bought access to political power mostly surreptitiously and nominally illegally unless they followed specific restrictions, and legitimizes and formalizes and institutionalizes it and moves it right out into the open.

And behind all of the white supremacist and christian nationalist and reactionary conservative rhetoric, this was always the real goal.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If the numbers are true it costed him less than 0.1% of his wealth which is surprising how little it takes. Would you spend 0.1% of your wealth to elect a President and gain a government post that will bring you more wealth? Would you spend 1% of your wealth to become insanely rich? 10%?

In the society where power is measured by wealth ultra rich should not exist. Or better such society should not exist.

Also Musk wasn't even the biggest donor. And Harris was okay with this whole thing, she also received enormous donations. Who was against ultra rich? Bernie Sanders. No wonder he was sacked despite popular support.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

No I wouldnt spend 1 percent of my wealth to become insanely rich. Mostly cause that implies corruption and I aint nearly as bad as my kin though I have far more homicidal tendencies.

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[–] franklin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

What an absolute treasure Robert and Sam Reich are.

[–] running_ragged@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

He also spent 44 billion buying twitter to disrupt and control the conversations happening there as part of his efforts, and now the the government essentially has a data mining tool and propaganda machine without actually 'owning' it.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Speedrunning the decline and fall of the Roman empire.

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

We're already speedrunning climate-based societal collapse, so there's not really much time to slow walk these things.

[–] Seeders@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I wish I had a schilling

for every senseless killing

I'd buy a government

America's for sale

And you can get a good deal on it

And make a healthy profit

Or maybe tear it apart

Start with assumption

That a million people are smart

Smarter than one

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Turns out it really is all a big club and we didn't get invited.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

Carlin had it right 30 years ago

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] IlIllIIIllIlIlIIlI@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Plus late stage capitalism.

[–] Kilometers_OBrien@startrek.website 7 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Any of those 2a weirdos gonna show us what 2a is for or not?

I see a lot of domestic enemies around and suddenly the obese, insanely loud dipshits aren't making a peep.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

No, they love the boot on their face, as long as someone they hate also has a boot on their face.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

To be fair, a couple of them already tried.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

Looks like it's time for the left to start collecting guns and trigger the "wait, not like that!" response from the republicans.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

yes for him the USA is just a high return investment and livelihoods of the US citizens are just expandibles.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 5 points 1 month ago

Just capitalism taken to the logical conclusion. This term implies there's some form of capitalism in which this doesn't happen. There is not.

[–] Seeders@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Now look how much money Kamala received to "buy" the election.

The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024

woops

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I guess technically he spent $44.13 billion

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I mean, yeah, but they'd be in a better position to make that argument if they hadn't been campaigning with Mark Cuban. (Not that Robert Reich needs to be told that, but it still needs to be said.)

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