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Liberals stepped over the bodies of Palestinian women to vote for Kamala Harris (prismreports.org)

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[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

Well then it's a good thing Trump won. Pretty soon you won't need to worry about Palestinians at all because Trump will help make sure Israel can "finish what they started" as he put it. So, good job. Yay you guys for sticking it to Harris.

[+] WoodScientist@lemmy.world -9 points 23 hours ago

I don't know. I voted for Kamala, but I think Trump might actually be better long-term for the Palestinians than Kamala.

Yes, Trump would happily watch as Israel bulldozed and annexed the entirety of Gaza and the West Bank. But Israel's ability to do that isn't contingent on US military aid. What really prevents that is broader global public opinion. If Israel tries a full and rapid ethnic cleansing, it will be completely embargoed by every nation in Europe.

There is a reason Israel has been doing a slow-mo "genocide by zoning code" in the West Bank for years. They know they can't get away with overt genocide, not without facing mass trade embargoes.

The truth is, I really don't know if things can realistically get bad enough in Palestine for the Kamala/Trump distinction to be any different. Even in the case of an overt genocide, Kamala would simply withdraw some offensive aid. Trump would keep that aid flowing, but in either case, if Israel decided to do a full overt genocide of the Palestinians, neither a Trump nor Harris administration would meaningfully intervene.

The only long-term hope for any improvement for US policy on Israel is if Democrat leaders listen to their base and stop supporting them. Kamala was going to be fully pro-Israel. And with Kamala as an incumbent, no anti-Zionist candidate would have been able to run in 2028. Now with Kamala out of the picture, and with her seeming loss due to her and Biden's addiction to fellating Israel, there is room politically for anti-genocide voices to actually have a chance at a major party's nomination.

I would say the chances of an anti-genocide president being in office in 2029 are about 10-20%. With a Harris win, that chance would be 0%.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 3 points 20 hours ago

The people who didn't vote for Kamala, whether they stayed home or voted for Trump, they don't fucking care. They don't care if every Palestinian dies. In fact, if killing Palestinians lowered gas prices, they would probably pull the trigger themselves. And they'd do the same thing to Israel.

Whomever runs next will not give a flying fuck about Palestinians. They might pay lip service, but that's all you get.

[-] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago

Harris helped finish the job without trump

[+] Joker@sh.itjust.works -9 points 1 day ago

This is the real life trolley problem.

You either become an active participant to prevent more people from being killed or you leave more people getting killed without participating.

People should have elected a better leader who have a good ethics to stop the killings from happening in the first place.

[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

You have chosen to run over the crowd rather than trying to minimize the disaster. Good thinking.

[+] Joker@sh.itjust.works -13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

How so?

People who did not vote are not participants!

They are merely observers. till they make an active choice that impact what is happening in wars.

Dude, even Bernie Sanders realise what is the mistake his party did by electing Harris.

[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

People who did not vote are not participates!

People who cannot vote, are not participants.

People who chose not to vote when they were able to are. They made a choice and this is the result.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 19 hours ago

Choosing “not to participate” is inherently a choice.

[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Failure of omission. They failed to act when they could have. It lead to a worse result.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago

Keep my Senator's name out ya mouth unless you know him.

Sanders fought like hell for Harris to win because he knew her victory would be better for America and Palestinians... yea he was fucking aware Harris was a bad choice, most of us were, but she was still markedly better for Palestinians than Trump will be.

If you sat out this election, voted for Trump, or voted third party, you have contributed to the death of Palestinians. That's the fucking math. You could have taken an action to save lives and you didn't.

"But both options were shitty!" Grow a fucking pair - one was clearly better even if both sucked.

[-] draneceusrex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I agree with Bernie's rant today, but he still campaigned and voted against the fascist gaining power. Honestly though, the only state Gaza might have effected is Michigan. America does not care about Gaza. The price of Doritos and a fucking squirrel was more important to most voters.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

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[-] Joker@sh.itjust.works -3 points 23 hours ago

So Palestine are choosing to run over themselves alone or run over all the people?

This does not make any sense.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 3 points 23 hours ago

No. They are a common victim of the trolley. I simply didn't render the person deciding their vote as, given the topic of discussion at hand, felt it was implied. Clearly I should have foreseen that the complicated moral of "Palestine was fucked either way, but there are other people that can be saved" was too advanced for some.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No. Dumb take.

Can't wait to hear what you have to say when Trump essentially eliminates Palestinian territory from the map.

Idiots.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Downvote farmer detected

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

And the "principled", "unwaivering", and allergic to nuance helped usher in a fascist who is the self proclaimed "protector" of Israel.

Anyone who thought that the guy who recognized Israel's contested capital, who "fought for Israel like no president ever before," who claimed "Anybody who’s Jewish and loves being Jewish and loves Israel is a fool if they vote for a Democrat,” who believes that the US election day was "the most important day in the history of Israel," who wants to deport students exercising their right to protest the genocide, and who's only criticism of the genocide was that it was too public and slow would be better for Gaza is a deluded fool.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I'm 14 and this is deep.

[-] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Was trump any better?

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