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[–] sorter_plainview@lemmy.today 12 points 5 days ago

Unfortunately that is not how those graphs are plotted.

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[–] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

"Where's Joe? Kamawho? Doh I guess I'll just vote for Trump, I liked cheaper gas"

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

I kind of understand why they want to get rid of elections. It feels a bit futile with this crowd.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

This fact alone is so awesome about America. To be fair, I know very little about the UK government. I keep my voting strategy simple: whoever is proposing to get rid of first past the post closely followed by whoever is proposing more bicycle infrastructure. Failing that, whoever I think is going to lose.

There are tools that help you decide how to vote. Waiting until the day comes and searching Joe Biden is hilarious.

[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 187 points 1 week ago (42 children)

I just got back from drowning my sorrows into a patty melt at a local bar I frequent. I normally go at night, so the daytime servers were new to me. Got a 40ish year-old lady server who was overworked because everywhere is understaffed now. I asked for some tea because I hadn't had caffeine yet, and she looks at me puzzled and says, "like hot tea?" And I say "Yes! Black please, but green is ok too if you don't have it." And she looked at me, still confused, and said, "Well i don't know what that is, but we have regular hot tea I can bring you with some hot water." After she left to put in my order, I couldn't stop thinking about this exchange.

This article gives me the same exact feeling. Whatever is happening that allows adult women SERVERS to be unfamiliar with one of the most popular drinks on the planet. Whatever allowed it so so many people didn't even realize Biden had dropped out...is the reason we lost to trump. It's the reason Democrat weren't able to break through on any issue. We were either talking to brick walls, or black holes. It's no ones fault but that servers that she was unaware of black tea. You can't force people to be intellectually curious or skeptical or even open minded. And these same people get to vote. And that's why we can't have nice things.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I never you. I've had to force myself to be able to eat anything since Tuesday night. I'm so furious with my country.

[–] ignirtoq@fedia.io 126 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's an education system and culture problem. You can't force a 40-year-old woman to be curious and critical, but you can plant the seed and encourage the growth of those skills and behaviors in children. That confusion at hearing something different followed by the attitude of putting it in a box and dismissing it ("I don't know what that is, but we have regular hot tea") comes from a lifetime of being told to accept whatever over simplified answer they are told and be quiet whenever they ask questions.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

Fostered and inculcated by the plethora of churches across the land, who also DON'T PAY TAXES. They are a cancer, rotting us from within.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

considering how stridently the Republican Party has been attacking public education for the past 50 years or so, this is a predictable result. They don't need every American to be incurious and shallow, they just need enough to tilt elections in their favor.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Sitting here in Germany, looking at the shambles of our political landscape, looking over at you, reading this and remembering Trump saying to/about Musk that he's "a genius" and America doesn't have many of them left...i can only laugh at the utterly infuriating powerlessness against such kind of disregard for basically anything that has changed since the dark ages and the utter ignorance. My anger is slowly shifting to sorrow...

[–] Good_morning@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 6 days ago

Right, it's no surprise that the lesser educated religious tend to have larger families that go on to vote Republican bc that's what Jesus would want.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago

And that's exactly why Project 2025 states their desire to get rid of the Dept of Education.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I volunteered with a group to drive people to the polls. One of the ladies I drove was black and not quite elderly, still obviously working a full time job. On our way back from the polling place and after we chatted about what time we'd know the results, she asked, "Do people in Africa get to vote for President, too?" And no, she didn't mean the President of Africa. She was sincerely asking if people in Africa get to vote in US elections.

There is a profound level of ignorance in this country, and it's so staggering as to be utterly paralyzing. I honestly don't know where we go from here as a nation, and I fear folks like that will be the first casualties if the worst comes to pass.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I honestly don’t know where we go from here as a nation, and I fear folks like that will be the first casualties if the worst comes to pass.

I mean, as deeply saddening as this sounds, the reality of it is...that issue will resolve it self. Ignorance is bliss...you won't even know what hit you. And i'm beginning to think i should take that stance and just ignore everything and just carry on. Told a friend that, he immediately said, nope, you're way too decent of a human being for that...so we're going to suffer together.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

No, we have to fight for our country, or else we're the 1930s Nazi sympathizers. Volunteer. Donate. When the time comes, help marginalized people escape the camps. This is OUR country, don't let them take it.

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[–] PixelProf@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

I was once teaching a student introductory programming when I was in my undergrad.

The problem was to draw two circles on the screen of different colours and detect when the mouse is inside of one.

I said, "So our goal is simple: Let's draw a circle somewhere on the screen. Consider what you'd tell me as a human - I've got the pencil, and you want to tell me to draw a circle of a certain size somewhere on this paper. We have three functions. Calling a function will draw a shape. Each function draws a different shape. We have rect(), circle(), and line(). Which of these sounds like the one we want to use? Which would get me to draw the correct shape?"

".... Rect?" "Why?" "It draws a shape." "What shape would rect draw?" "I don't know." "Guess." "A circle?" "Why do you think that?" "We need to draw a circle." "If I said that rect draws a rectangle, which of the three functions would we want to use then, to draw our picture?" "Rect?"

I've now been teaching for many years, and those situations still come up a lot. When I put up a poll in class, with the answer still written on the board, about 25% of people in a 100+ student class will get it wrong - of people who were not only admitted to a competitive university program, but have passed multiple prerequisite courses to be here.

Not only is it unknown gaps in knowledge, there is just a thought process I haven't been able to crack through that some people really can't see what is immediately before them.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Some people are apparently incapable of learning anything except by rote. To them, every problem or situation has one solution, and they have no answer for any situation that has not previously been explicitly spelled out to them and the solution memorized, and failing that they not only won't know what to do but they flat out won't even try. There is no such thing as figuring out a new solution to anything based on logic or deduction. In any process, they will refuse to understand how the result is actually derived from the actions taken, nor what each step does or why it is done.

I've had to work with several people like this over the years and it's both exhausting and infuriating.

In my line of work I have also been forced to interact with people, mostly clients, who cannot understand hypotheticals. Any abstract or non-concrete concept is completely lost on them and worse, usually exposing them to one will make them irrationally angry in response -- which they will immediately direct at you, you nerd.

These people are not only allowed to vote, but also drive cars, own firearms, and have children. It's shocking.

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[–] KingGordon@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I deal with adults like this every day at my workplace. Can’t think, can’t reason, can’t troubleshoot, can’t read documentation, can’t even frame their problem correctly- let alone come up with a solution. Its insanity.

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[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not to defend the American public, who does not deserve any defense in the slightest, but...

I have a friend in advertising who specializes in Google SEO, and he pointed out this will include searches that contain the phrase as a subset of the search, such as "When did Joe Biden drop out" or "Why did Joe Biden drop out".

[–] frosty99c@midwest.social 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Right, "did Biden drop out" had a spike as seen in the first picture below. It's hard to tell magnitude. When comparing to another phrase, it's easy to see that the spike wasn't even close to the spike for another election day phrase: 'who is Kamala?'

[–] Dezzorian@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To be fair "Who is Donald Trump" reaches just as high as Harris...

[–] frosty99c@midwest.social 2 points 5 days ago

Hahaha I didn't even think to check that. Wild

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[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago
[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The spike when you zoom out to the past year:

There are uninformed voters for sure, but always be suspicious of stories that confirm your biases a bit too much.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago

That's in line with the Brexit vote in the UK.

"What is Brexit? What is the European Union?"

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 27 points 1 week ago

This is the country with the nukes, subs, carriers, and troops in everybody else's backyard.

Europe and the rest of NATO, I think y'all need to figure your shit out without us. Make plans now.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This has to be the biggest fumble of all time lmfao

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I mean short of running ads on football games that literally just said "Joe Biden, our current sitting president who took office after Donald Trump, has stepped down from running for a second term. Kamala Harris, our current VP is now the Democrat nominee"...actually...scratch that, maybe they should have done just that.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I think one of the problems with Harris was that she actually believes that the American people are smart, capable, pragmatic folks with a penchant for helping others. That may have been partially true about some subsection of Americans at some point in time in the past, but 40+ straight years of institutional rot and attention attacks from an increasingly shitty and incoherent media ecosystem have taken their toll.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

That's exactly what they should have done.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Everyone keeps writing up/sharing/posting this article, but no one has any actual numbers of search results. The 100 line is just a representation of when it was searched over the past thirty days. It's not a representation of how many people actually searched it. That 100 mark could have just been 20 people for all we know.

[–] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

11% of what it was the day he dropped out

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah, and how much was that day? Still a pretty meaningless percentage when there isn't a real number to see. You can at least assume it was well over 20 people, based on that.

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