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Facebook comments: Well obviously it was taken in the SUMMER ππ€£π Morons global warming is all fear mongering!
Yes Jim. It's very normal that entire glaciers disappear, regularly in fact, every year. You are so smart, much smarter than all of the scientists who are panicking.
Ummmβ¦. Thereβs people right here on lemmy saying the same dumb shit about summer. Donβt think for a second that lemmy doesnβt host some of the exact same idiots Facebook does.
Good news is that many instances on Lemmy are less tolerant to alt-right trolls and climate deniers. Best to use that report function so your admins, or even better, their admins, can snipe them.
Good idea. Though I generally donβt like to over-use the report function.
The only issue that really matters to me is climate change. Or maybe plastic.
But this is the same as the picture of the statue of liberty that is used to "debunk" sea level rise by showing the level at the same height, despite being taken 100 years apart. Were they taken at the same tide? Same time of year? Is there any other factor at play here?
This is a "shoe is on the other foot" moment, and we should be as skeptical of that which supports our beliefs as we are of that which contradicts it. Maybe especially so because confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
crazy to think that guy has been on that boat for over 100 years
Wow, it looks so much prettier today. All thanks to climate improvement.
Thanks, emissionschads!
Thank goodness they cleared out all that snow and ice so that we can finally see the pretty mountains.
We should put some factories there!
This might be silly but we could replace the ice with trash?
We might have to workshop this, but I feel like there's a good idea in there somewhere
At least we got some space to build car centric suburbia, eh? /s
A reverse image search revealed to me that there are a hell of a lot of copies of this image around the internet, but I can't seem to find any papers that provide background. I'm going to have to look again later, but if there's any other internet sleuths out there interested in figuring out the origins of these photos with reputable explainers, I would love to know more about this.
I'm always afraid of things like this that seem to confirm my biases without associated information to back it...
I just did reverse image search and found this article from 2002
The Guardian article nailed it, thanks!
It doesn't cite exactly where they got the Greenpeace photo from, but I found it here: https://media.greenpeace.org/archive/Climate-Impact-Documentation-in-Norway--Svalbard-27MZIF4WNED.html
Climate Impact Documentation in Norway, Svalbard Greenpeace documentation showing that glacier "Blomstrandbreen" has retreated nearly 2 km since 1928, with an accelerated rate of 35 metres lost per year since 1960 and even higher in the past decade. In the image, view of climate campaigner Truls Gulowsen on a speed boat going to a mine in Longyearbyen.Β
Unique identifier: GP0STSCL6Β Shoot date: 03/08/2002Β Locations: Norway, Scandinavia, Svalbard Credit line: Β© Greenpeace / Christian Γ slundΒ
A bit more from the Guardian article:
Greenpeace activists visited the glacier last weekend on the Rainbow Warrior taking pictures from the same locations to highlight the effects of global warming, which the group says is a threat to the future of the planet.
The Blomstrandbreen glacier has retreated by one and a quarter miles since 1928, according to Greenpeace. It was shrinking by 115ft a year in the 1960s, a rate which has risen.
Recent studies carried out by US researchers and reported in Science last month said that 85% of the glaciers they examined had lost vast portions of their mass in the last 40 years.
Keith Echelmayer of the University of Alaska at Fairbanks, who has carried out research into Alaska's ice streams and checked glacier thickness, said: "Most glaciers have thinned several hundred feet at low elevation in the last 40 years and about 60 feet at higher elevations."
There's a couple similar photos from 2022 posted to Reddit by the same photographer (meaning the same person posted these two, not that it's necessarily the same person who posted the one above):
Thatβ¦. Is fucking tragic. Thereβs no going back to that. Ever.
Don't worry, the ice will come back, we just won't be around to see it.
Good luck, everyone. I genuinely hope you make it through as okay as you can.
I myself asked "What time of year was the lower photograph taken?" Then I realized I was being dumb, because if either photo was taken in winter time, we would see at least some ice in the water, if not a very large ice sheet.
That, and it'd be dark. You'd need to pack one hell of a flash.
Well that's fuckin depressing
Mother Nature: Dont worry humans, everything will be fine, life will go on. Your fucking this up for your self, and you wont be missed
Revenge of the Titanic.
New real estate!
Notice the first guy is in a wooden boat and the second guy is in a boat most likely made out of some plastic-based fibers. π€
The plastic isn't really a huge driver of climate change, the problems it causes are different.
For the climate change comparison, notice that the old boat has oars, but the new boat has a gas engine
