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[-] PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

It’s about time they used these. It’s their land anyway and they should be able to defend it effectively.

[-] DrNeurohax@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but I can understand their hesitancy. Unexploded bomblets could be a hazard for their own advancing troops and a hazard for citizens that eventually use the land.

I wouldn't be surprised if they had to log every one of these shot - source, target, altitude of actual explosion, number of explosions (is witnessed by drones), etc. I imagine they'll want to do a sweep through there when things settle down.

[-] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

That first mortar (?) hit was fucking dead-on.

[-] slaeg@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Looked like an air-burst munition of sorts? I thought that hit was the hit labelled as use of cluster munition and was readying my downvote, but then the next two was shown and yeah... clusters alright.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Brothers Grimm could see the future:

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I dunno, it just seems like the delay on the bomblets was too long. And also that a fragmentation round could have gotten them all without leaving unexploded ordinance all over the place.

[-] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago

Just to provide clarity, the dud rate is approximately 2.5%, so about 1-2 per shell.

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Times how many hundreds of shells? With bomblets sitting around for decades after.

And how many survived that hit, as opposed to a similar fragmentation strike? A few survivors aren't actually a bad thing in a lot of cases too. They require resources to care for, draining man power that's already stretched thin.

It just strikes me as a less than efficient weapon choice. I'd be curious to see it compared to air burst flechette rounds in effectiveness.

[-] LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree with your points. Demining and EOD in eastern and southern Ukraine could take decades. Cluster munitions will hopefully be a stop-gap, and not the new norm.

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