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"The sharp rise in Violent/Aggressive Discourse in the Extreme Left is an artifact of the inclusion of Hexbear.net." (www.researchgate.net)
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:yes-hahaha-yes-l:

:sicko-hexbear:

Otherwise gee fucking idiots I guess you realy needed a whole research department to figure things out like

•Alt-Right supergroup activity remains near its all-time high. This activity has been high since the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago in August (Fig. 1).

•The forums with the greatest use of Violent/Aggressive discourse in November were in Health Misinformation, scoring higher than Incels/Femcels and the Extreme Right (Fig. 7).

•Reference to sex crimes was up 13% in December and was up 32% since August (Fig. 11).

:the-democrat: reading this : "Great, its all according to the plan. Carry on mrMcdoofus, keep us informed, this is very useful information, it will come in handy when we decide to do absolutely nothing for the next 2 years."

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[–] Changeling@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Methodological Notes: Activity levels are defined as the % of posts with at least one key word, phrase, or stem identified with particular themes. Because the study of language and ideology is a key aspect of the larger project, results are limited exclusively to posts with at least 50 words. The complete list of current platforms from which forums were selected can be found toward the end of this document. A user’s manual and program code can be found at https://www.rogersperspectives.com. Any corrections for errors will appear in next month’s report.

I’ve been looking through the resources on his site but can’t find the list of keywords he uses for this site. Anyone more familiar with computational statistics wanna give it a go?

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's probably some incredibly dumb shit like looking for things like "die, dies, dying, kill, kills, killed," which would also explain why antivaxxers are so very elevated if it's reading shit like "fluoridated water KILLS!" and marking that as "violent" when it's just unhinged boomer brain shit.

That would also mean that a comment like "kicking people out of their homes is an act of violence, it is attempted murder and it kills and immiserates people," would read as more violent (because keywords) than someone explicitly calling for minorities to be genocided in short or even slightly obfuscated language. Discussing violence that has happened probably scans exactly the same as direct calls for violence.

Hell, this dispassionate explanation of their reasoning will probably have the algorithm in full :wojak-nooo: : :agony-shivering: :doomjak: mode because of all the keywords.

[–] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Chiming in as a silly little grad student applying natural language processing in my research... :

It’s probably some incredibly dumb shit like looking for things like “die, dies, dying, kill, kills, killed,”

Yup. The author references the Linguistic Inquiry Word Count (LIWC) program, which pretty much does exactly that. It's got hundreds of different "linguistic categories" that you can very easily and quickly scan for. Each linguistic category, or "dictionary", is a list of words that are said to reflect a different topic, idea, feeling, etc., and the program will tell you how many words in each text fit into different categories.

If you scroll down to Table 2 on Page 12 of this document, you can see some of their categories and a few example words for each one. You can also make your own "dictionaries", which I think this dude also did. They have a demo on the LIWC website that you can cry, and you will almost immediately see how limited this process actually is.

In research on natural language, like studies that scrape and analyze posts online, it's a hugely popular method for doing the laziest and easiest topic modelling or semantic analysis possible (i.e., looking for themes or concepts that people or talking about, or how they are expressing emotions in text). Like you point out, it's totally devoid of context, so it's validity doesn't extend much beyond "they are using XYZ words this often".

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So what you're saying is that now we're being watched we should make an effort to use as many violent words as possible, ie. instead of writing "I would really like a cookie" we should write "I could kill for a cookie"?

I think we owe it to Richard to be good little lab rats and give him some of that violent extremism he's looking for.

[–] ElGosso@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Boy howdy it's a scorcher out there, I would VIOLENTLY DISEMBOWEL and DECAPITATE someone for a lemonade today

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

:biden-the-thing: Hmm, the leftists are talking about violence. Could they be discussing everyday violence directly or indirectly effected by the state? :biden-rember: No, it's the leftists who are violent!

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

I hadn't considered that we're "violent" partly because we talk about state and institutional violence a lot and that makes this even funnier.

[–] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

It's like the liberal hand wringing of "talking about racism keeps racism alive" but computerized :policing-brain:

[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

that you can cry

keep this typo because the methodological and philosophical faults in this study make me want to cry

[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, unless they explicitly look for fascist language, a fascist saying "day of the rope now" doesn't show up as violence on whatever algorithm they use

[–] Changeling@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

They do appear to have fascist dogwhistles on the list

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[–] plinky@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Is this our researchgate-gate :puzzled:

[–] TornadoThompson@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Published by a Mr. Dick Rogers.

[–] Azarova@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

here's the newest one: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/369649460_Frames_of_Misinformation_Extremism_and_Conspiracism_January_2023

figure 7 looks a lot different now lmao :hexbear-shining:

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Rookie mistake. He forgot to account for number of school shooters generated per violent post.

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Just two relevant points:

1- They crawled another 2.5k posts since last time.

2- The recent topics stayed the same except Sex crimes was replaced with Socialism + FBI. I'm not even joking its chart 15. Real smooth Richard you fuck, you are fooling nobody rofl.

[–] redthebaron@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

that is so funny, like imagine having to explain this site on a academic setting just because you want to be fair and balanced centrist and say oh but the left wing extremists, like look at your definitions man:

Extremism: Political beliefs and strategies that fall outside the spectrum of normal politics (Anti-Defamation League, 2017).

•Extreme Right includes antisemitic and Christian Identity forums, neo-Nazis, Proud Boys, secessionists, and White pride groups.

•Extreme Left includes anarchist and socialist forums.

anyway if you came over here after a richard lecture, could you ask him for to do an Q&A here i would absolutelly love to learn what is actually the thesis he is doing as this seems to be only aggregated data which he would use on a follow up, also i would like to talk about the numbers on reddit, which we were expelled from, and if the right wing super group got more space there after we got kicked , RICHARD HIT US UP DUDE LET'S TALK

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Extremism: Political beliefs and strategies that fall outside the spectrum of normal politics

Wow, great definition. Very explanatory. "Normal politics" is a very well-defined term.

(Anti-Defamation League, 2017).

Aren't they the same people who claims that it's antisemitic not to believe that Zionists have a right to an ethnostate in Palestine?

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

These are rookie numbers, gotta pump em up.

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Those graphics make no fucking sense for fuck sakes

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"Statistically 0.0%, better include it" despite most of those kinds of posts getting deleted by mods or done by fedposting wreckers

Edit: like fuck it, include all the shit that gets deleted by twitter or facebook automods and you'd see a deluge of misanthropy that would wash away your hope in humanity

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Wow we're famous now

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