The Kirin 9000S is only 2% larger than the original 9000, which was made using TSMC 5nm. It performs far better than any 7nm chip.

CPU Performance almost matches the 4nm Exynos 2200, which because the 2300 was a no show is the best chip Samsung has.

GPU Performance although not a match for the original 9000 still exceeds the 5nm Snapdragon 888.

Geek Bench 5 Multi/Single core Scores

Geekerwan Review of the Kirin 9000S, with English subtitles

Source of the SD 865 relative performance charts

It seems like it can run Android apps through a compatibility layer as well.

I expect that's what we're going to see with BRICS shortly. One of the rules of BRICS is that members can't sanction one another. So, the more countries join the more become immune from western sanctions. BRICS is already a bigger economy than G7 as well, so if you have to choose economic blocs, it's the winning choice.

Officer #1: [repeating through megaphone] The one with the phone, tweets!

Officer #2: [handing out phones] One out of two gets a phone.

Officer #1: The one without, follows him! When the one with the phone gets killed, the one who is following picks up the phone and tweets!

Also you don't get Huawei's Android version (EMUI) on the Huawei Mate 60 pro, you get harmony os as it's only for sale in China. While it can run most android apps seamlessly as well as native harmony os apps, it's not Android. Using it outside of China might be challenging.

Yeah, this is the most visible sign of Chinese tech independence that most people can understand.

Same tbh

https://twitter.com/CGHuangPingNY/status/1699536953312481688

An actual pocket telescope.

are you fucking kidding me

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At these point phones are just full blown pocket computers. In fact, Ubuntu for Android lets you dock the phone and use it like a desktop https://www.theverge.com/2012/2/21/2812424/ubuntu-for-android-hands-on

I think it would be kind neat if you could just have one device you carry around with you, that way you wouldn't even need an cloud services to sync stuff like calendars or email across devices.

As with desktops, it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. RAM gets cheaper all the time so developers don't really worry too much about RAM usage. As a result, devices need more RAM if people want multiple things open. Rinse and repeat.

My desktop now has 32GB, because there, 16GB isn't really cutting it anymore. I generally have way more apps open on my phone than my desktop at any given time.

I think more than 10GB and the phones can procreate among themselves. An additional 2GB on top gave the phones a bit of extra zip, and that's how the Mate 60 was born so quickly. Either that or something else. But if it's not this, America's top economists are all out of ideas.

How you gonna run discord with less than 16GB of RAM??

Andy Boreham is excellent. I love his stuff. I watch his stuff regularly.

My only criticism of his content, if you can call it criticism, is it's too clean. The man is impeccably well-groomed and professional to a fault. I don't share his content with my liberal friends because these qualities that would usually be considered virtues trigger all their preconceptions about what staged propaganda would look like.

Not really, if you're looking the actual performance and efficiency numbers. And you have to compare ARM mobile chips with other ARM mobile chips. 7+nm TSMC process was used to make the Snapdragon 865, the flagship processor for 2020 android smartphones. And Huawei's 7nm domestic process comes extremely close to that on efficiency. Huawei's chips are actually slightly more efficient than the Snapdragon 888 and 8 gen 1, which were made on Samsung's 5nm and 4nm process and the flagship processors for the 2021 and 2022 android smartphones (yes, these less efficient than TSMC 7+nm Snapdragon 865 from 2020). Obviously the newer TSMC process that the Snapdragon 8+ gen 1 and 8 gen 2 chips use have much better efficiency.

In terms of single core CPU performance, Huawei is right in between the Snapdragon 865 and 888. And superior to them in multi core performance, as Huawei's Kirin 9000s performance core and big cores are based off of server ARM chips and support hyperthreading. Obviously the 8+ gen 1 and 8 gen 2 are superior in performance.

For Huawei's domestic process to be only 2 to three years behind TSMCs process, the best in the world for ARM chips, is an incredible accomplishment. Especially given all the sanctions.

It absolutely is because they managed to get to this point in only a few years, people were predicting that China would be stuck at 28nm even just a few months ago. Obviously China isn't just going to be sitting still now that they reached 7nm, and they'll likely get to the point where they can make 3nm chips in a few years. Meanwhile, we're reaching the limits of what's possible to do with silicon, and western chip makers are basically hitting that limit already. The way forward after that will be to use a different substrate and it looks like China is making the most progress there as well.

Another thing to note is that majority of chips produced aren't bleeding edge chips. 7nm is good enough for vast majority of applications. As we see with Mate 60, it performs just as well as latest iPhones using the latest and greatest western chips.

Well look at the other contract fabs that could buy EUV scanners if they wanted to.

GlobalFoundries gave up on 7nm so 14/12nm is the best they have. UMC barely makes any 14nm chips so they definitely aren't pursuing anything below 7nm. Getting to 7nm is an investment few can make and it won't pay off for most. The number of fabless chip companies that can afford to design for <7nm and need the leading edge in performance is tiny. A high price of entry to serve so few customers.

SMIC is only the third pure play contract fab to offer <=7nm and Samsung needed EUV to get to 7nm unlike SMIC and TSMC.

Judging by the performance and density of the Kirin 9000S, SMIC's 7nm DUV is at least as good as Samsung's 5nm EUV. The same A510 cores made with SMIC's 7nm are as efficient if not more so than those made with Samsung 4nm.

The previous top Huawei phone, the P60 Pro has the 4G variant of the 8+ Gen 1, which was made with TSMC 4nm. The Mate 60 Pro being technically a downgrade in process node is something few if any of its users will actually notice in practice. Huawei could've easily just made a 5G modem and paired it with an 8 Gen 2. It would've been a lot easier to make a tiny modem yield but they chose the harder option of making an entire SOC. They succeeded in matching if not surpassing the TSMC 5nm made original that stopped being made on September 15, 2020. All the sanctions could do was delay further production of the Kirin 9000 for 3 years.