Fascists don't deserve basic rights.
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this post was submitted on 04 Sep 2023
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More and more people are saying this! But seriously, in the gulag you'll get human rights but certainly not a loaded machine gun like unrestricted internet access to stalk, bully, and harass people to self-harm.
but certainly not a loaded machine gun
oh, they'll get a loaded machine gun
just not the end of it they're expecting
Fascists deserve as many human rights as they believe others should have
So yes. None 😊
[…] you have to decide if the internet is a human right or not. If it is, it must be for everyone, or it is for no one.
It's a human right.
Fascists aren't human.
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Not getting harassed by internet fascists should be a human right too, but the only 'rights' they care about are the ones that expand their bourgeois consumerism.
Chuds when people are doxxed, stalked, and sent death threats
Chuds when they can't reply "peepeepoopoo" to their president on the internet
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They can still... use the rest of the internet... after the site is taken down...?
Unfortunately.
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Legality is a very stupid and bad metric for what sites and communities should be combated. Piracy is illegal, fascism is legal. Laws are threats from the dominant socioeconomic group and so on.
Also, who's version of legality? I very much doubt Mr "Let the law handle the Nazis" is going to be happy if Iran or Saudi Arabia tried to take down porn sites due to their local laws.
Of course, that's a rhetorical question. Whenever someone talks like this they always mean American/Western laws, which they assume should apply universally.
Agreed.
They’ll just launch a new domain, just like all the pirate streaming sites do.
copyrighted material and documenting people's whereabouts and goings on are exactly the same thing actually
context don't real, everything is a frictionless, spherical concept in a vacuum
and that's why I cyberstalk kids
Freedom of speech (and comparable rights) applies under the assumption that no concerns should go unheard to ensure that everyone's needs are considered when making decisions so the best outcome can be achieved for everyone.
Kiwifarms exists to hurt people. People use it to hurt others. It does not need defending.
Turns out the "natural rights" framework is liberal bullshit and legal rights, while extremely useful, must be embraced as a fallible human construction that, on some level of application, must be delineated arbitrarily.
Nonsense built upon stilts
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The thing about Kiwifarms is that it acts a lot more like Reddit (as a whole) than your typical forum. People don't come to Kiwifarms because they want to be a part of the Kiwifarms community -- they come to Kiwifarms because they obsess about some individual or some other community that they want to dunk on or harass. Each thread therefore has to be viewed more akin to a subreddit with its own separate userbase than your typical forum thread.
The best example for this are their two competing Ukraine war threads, one pro-Russia, the other pro-Ukraine, each with roughly the same number of posts yet representing two completely different, irreconcilable worldviews.
This property is what I think makes Kiwifarms so extremely resilient. Even if they have to move to the darknet, where other sites would normally not survive, they still have the necessary draw to gain new users from mere name recognition alone.
Because when you're obsessed about something or someone, is the small hurdle of installing torbrowser and looking up an onion link really going to stop you?
I don’t think we should ever celebrate people being deplatformed
Correct. We should debate them in the marketplace of ideas
So Keffals didn't get kiwifarms shutdown after all, huh?
it was down for like a week at best
Sucks, wish I went down permanently.
I respected her fight but in the end it just shows how pathetic the state of human rights is in the West. I would assume that in a normal society, those who run a website like kiwifarms would be arrested on the grounds of causing mental and physical harm to innocent human beings.
What Keffals could only do was pressure various corporations that lie in the junctions between kiwifarms servers and the user. Her movement would pressure the private DNS provider, the private VPS host and Cloudflare inc. to stop having kiwifarms as customers. I think Cloudflare dropped them but I am not sure what things are like now.
This is not an indictment of Keffals and her efforts but rather of the justice systems of the developed world. FBI will hunt you down to the innermost circles of hell if you are sharing pirated books (b-ok.cc) or are downloading academic papers like Swartz was but if you are running a fascist cesspool you are given a pass probably because they recruit or entrap from there.
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The endless battle to banish the world's most notorious stalker site - Lemmy.world
Damn Lemmy, I didn't know you guys were into stalking. But... uhhh... use those powers for good, I guess?
I hate KF and the userbase more than virtually anything else. Pig farm septic bog ass site.
Not sure why they're involved, but uncritical support to the Economic Freedom Fighters against the internet fascists 
as long as the US government wouldn't literally put someone in a cage for it, you are morally obligated to provide anyone who asks with the means to do whatever they want, with zero discretion allowed on your part. because it's speech.
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