is judging people based on what others have done not the whole point of Catholicism?
There's also buying forgiveness and inquisitioning.
And there's covering up mass rape of children.
Oh I'm totally Judging you too catholic. Any religious nuts btw
You want to believe in something go ahead that's healthy,
You want to be part of a money making, rule setting, kid raping, woman killing (see how any religion applies?!) organization that tells you how and what you have to believe and that some people are less than others?! Then you are fucked up
"see how any religion applies?!"
Atheist of fundamentalist protestant extraction. Aren't like some of the Buddhists pretty cool? Especially the Zen Buddhists. Also, Sikhs seem cool. And the Jainists.
I could totally be wrong. Organized religion is a terrible thing in almost all of my experience.
Wiccans have been real cool in my experience. They have really fun orgies.
You're right. It should say "most religions". Jainists are the top example of a non harmful religion but very few Jainists exist. Sikhs do seem pretty cool but I haven't done too much research on them. Buddhism is actually rife with violence and encourages masochism though the Zen sect is definitely better.
I think the real point though is that saying, "I'm religious", should be an embarrassing and negative statement. Not something that means the person should automatically be given the benefit of the doubt because a minority of religious people are just harmlessly misinformed. It's like saying, "I'm a cannibal, but don't worry, I'm part of a special Zen cannibal sect that only eats people after they die of natural causes and consented to being eaten because we think that it really helps the circle of life and the environment". It's not technically hurting anyone but it's still weird and when you hear cannonball in general you should still automatically assume that person is dangerous.
Different person sticking their nose in, but I really respect what the Satanic Temple is doing. Like in general, but also specifically their stance that religion should not be ceded as the territory of superstition.
Like it or not, religion is one of the fundamental building blocks of community. It provides gathering. At its best it encourages sharing, both of burdens and of blessings. Prayer is so often just meditation focused on helping one another.
I was raised in Christianity, and I am downright resentful of so much of what they did to me. But god I miss the community. Kink is the closest thing I have found in secularism.
No Satanic Temple near me unfortunately. I'd love to have something like that in my life.
Holy cow! I have my TST card and everything. Kink has been incredibly important to my girl and I building a feeling of community.
Was in the hospital once. My family organized prayer circles and shit and I had to shut off Facebook. Then they tried to do some deathbed conversion shit while I was on heavy opiates. I giggled at the guy they sent to my room and called him an alien. The kink community brought my girl, and our former partner, food and ran errands for us. Ran interference with the hospital over our poly realtionship. The kink community took care of my people when I couldn't.
Like any other community, it has its problems, but has been pretty wholesome.
I bet you and I would get along well.
Agreed on all accounts. I hope that things like the Satanic Temple will be the norm someday where people can have a community without the lies and abuse that are currently synonymous with religion. Interesting about Kink. Glad it's working out for you.
You want to be part of a money making, rule setting, kid raping, woman killing (see how any religion applies?!)
With the “see how any religion applies” part you are so close to recognizing that this is a strawman argument.
You can take any sufficiently large group of people and find bad subgroups. You can take any sufficiently large organization and find corruption.
Your statement can apply to more than just religion. You could apply it to any country, for example.
And Veggietales (screenshot in the meme) is a Christian-themed show for a Christian audience.
There's never ever, ever, ever, ever been a show like it
If you had any sense you wouldn't claim to be part of an organized religion that shielded people who raped kids. They shouldn't shield people who are killing kids and committing genocide. These are pretty easy judgements for me and even Bob sees it.
If you had any sense you wouldn't claim to be part of an organized religion
there FTFY
Do you not even notice the irony in your reply? At all?
You also shouldn’t claim to be a part of .
If I don't pay taxes, they kill me. Can you tell me the same about religion?
I mean yeah many religions have extreme sects that will enforce harsh consequences for not participating.
Ok so specifically if I choose not identify as a catholic, go to church, support or to give money to the Catholic church will anything happen to me inside the United States in 2024? And My follow up question does this mean I cannot or do not still believe in the same "God"?
Ah so you get to the important part: if you go to a sane Catholic Church in the United States, choose to identify as catholic or not, choose to donate or otherwise support the church or not, choose to believe in “the same God” or not, nothing will happen to you.
Similarly, said church won’t be responsible for the previously mentioned horrible things.
Also similarly, if you refuse to pay taxes in the U.S., the absolute worst that will happen to you is you spend some time in jail, but unless you are someone like Al Capone it won’t go that far. You certainly won’t be killed.
The overall point is, extrapolating the most extreme minority of an inhomogeneous group to make assumptions about every individual in the group is a strawman fallacy of an argument.
I think the point is that a person being a member of a religion which has some other members who have committed horrible acts whilst hiding behind their religion, shouldn't lead to others immediately presuming that said person agrees with those actions or at least covers up for those who did those actions.
In doing so you're playing right into the hands of the assholes - such as Zionists and Pedophile Catholic Priests - committing those actions whilst hiding behind their religion.
Now, when people do voice or demonstrate their agreement with those actions or cover up the above mentioned people committing horrible acts, then, absolutely, judge away, and quite independently of their religion even: for example you can find plenty of apologists for the Zionist Genocide and mass murder of children who aren't Jewish.
PS: Mind you, I share many other people's opinion of the tendency for evil in organized religion, but still, fair is fair and painting everybody with the same brush just because they belong to the same religion as some assholes isn't fair, what's fair is to judge those people by their words and their actions, and if those words and actions include covering up for and even supporting the assholes within their religion, THEN it's fair to consider such people as also assholes.
What’s a progressive catholic?
A rape apologist?
Wasn’t the Catholic Church involved in eradicating native populations in a couple countries too?
The Pope still uses homophobic slurs too. He's the most progressive Pope we've had for a very long time too and he's still talking like uncle Leroy after too many glasses of wine at Thanksgiving.
Someone who vibes with the basic teachings of Jesus (feed the hungry, clothe the poor, turn the other cheek, etc.) and heavy ritual stuff (cathedrals, stained glass, cannibalism by proxy, etc.) but does not vibe with repressive conservative politics.
They were probably raised Catholic, saw some ick with the Institution, but vibed with Jesus too hard to just write the Faith off. Tbf every progressive probably vibes with Jesus if they read what the guy supposedly said.
A Catholic that doesn’t follow core teachings of the church like anti abortion and gay people go to hell.
Jewish =/= zionist
True. At the same time, I've seen some outspoken Zionists suddenly get very upset when people remember who they are.
Very high quality comments in this thread. /s
I wouldn't expect anything else.
It’s just like that old website, no nuance or discussion. It’s like r/atheism all over again.
ITT: People doing literally the same thing the meme is about
So many people in this thread proving the point.
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