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[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 days ago

That's some horseshit.

Yeah, yeah, he agreed to the terms, and that puts a major kink in fighting the ruling, but the fact that he was coerced into the original agreement and therefore the added restrictions of speech/expression make that moot.

Like out or not, there's an established segment of hip-hop/rap that features violence and crime whether or not the artist has any connection to them. And braggadoccio is another traditional element of the genre.

This would be like telling a bluegrass singer they can't write a murder ballad. Now, obviously,, if they write and perform one about the murder they committed, that's going to be a problem, but that's a separate issue where you can't profit from your crime.

It would be like telling a hair band singer that they can't write about sex and drugs.

It would be like telling a metal band singer that they can't write about smashing faces with hammers.

Doesn't matter what crime they committed, you start infringing on the first amendment, and that's a fucking problem.

This guy is on parole, so it's easy to think that limiting his professional material makes sense. And I can't blame anyone for thinking that. It's dumb, but it's such an easy thought to have that I had a flash of it on first pass through my head "oh, it's only while he's in parole, just save those lyrics for later".

Then I immediately realized how bloody dumb it was amd mentally kicked myself.

For the government to limit the freedom of speech and expression, the standard has to be extremely high. Nothing in the first says "unless you're a past felon", or "you know, unless you're writing hip-hop lyrics". This decision is an unreasonable infringement, and it's based in the systemic racism of the United states as a whole. The judge needs to be removed from the bench.

[-] Delphia@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I absolutely agree, but also see where this is coming from. You cant just turn a blind eye to parole violations and in turn people coming out of prison and going back to lets just call them "Problematic behaviors". Thats entirely what the whole supervised release and parole system is for... How can you have this guy write songs for profit about shooting people while out on parole for gun charges and then with a straight face say that he is trying to rehabilitate?

"Your honor, my client has been working and can show a legitimate income and has an apartment. His latest single "Ill shoot the pig who tries to take me back to prison" has done really well and theres no reason to believe he may reoffend"

I have to agree with you in principle that this is bullshit, because if the person who gets to review his lyrics and who he performs with is a 70yo racist "good ole boy" he is utterly fucked, If he gets someone who gets the rap culture and understands the braggadocio in it, he will probably be fine but we cant base legal decisions around biases like that.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

Perhaps he can make that speech but not sell it so long as it's profiting from a specific crime that happened?

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

That would be in line with laws that already exist in some places. I have no issue with that. The person can still write about their crimes, they just can't profit from it.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

It's hard to argue that any kind of publication isn't for profit though since attention generally means money.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

Which is still only relevant if the person is publishing something about a specific crime they committed.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Seems they really do gotta have an authentication process pretty much. Like if the dude murdered someone and wants to have a lyric that says "I'm a killa", is that above board?

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

"Artists" who promote violence should spend their free time in jail.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 days ago

Who defines the difference between promoting and discussing via the art? Not you, certainly, since you weren't able to predict that difficulty and account for it in your comment.

I'd give you the usual lecture about the value inherent in social catharsis via music and literature in specific, and the arts as whole, but it's blatantly obvious you didn't come here for even polite discourse, much less the thoughts of anyone but yourself.

So, you know, enjoy being you.

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

What discourse? You're defending violence, there's no discourse.

[-] 555_1@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

What if it’s the kind of violence you agree with?

[-] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 4 days ago

I don't agree with violence. What kind of dumb take is that?

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

So you don’t agree with some people pointing a gun at a person, restraining them, and taking them to a new location against their will? Then how do you expect these artists to end up in jail? Ask politely?

State violence is violence, even if you believe it’s justified

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Why would anyone point a gun at anyone?

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

That is how people tend to be arrested

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

No. The police over here don't have any weapons at all. There's rarely any violence or any enforcement during arrests. The police officers just tell you to follow them into their car and you do what they said. That's how civilised societies work.

[-] 555_1@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

Yes you do. It might be a small group, or even just a single person. To say otherwise as an obvious lie

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

Wut? Stop abusing drugs.

[-] Skates@feddit.nl 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

So all government officials then? Unless your government has never declared war on another country and only participated in defensive wars for their lands, ofc.

You know, I could actually get behind that somewhat. Until your country gets taken over by fascists/communists and violent opposition is not only desired but should be encouraged via revolutionary anthems.

Let's reach another compromise: lemmy users whose opinions I deem retarded should spend their free time reincarnating.

[-] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago

Do you even read, bro?

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