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some homeserver is blocking monero.social (retroshare.cc)

submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by hfondmanager@monero.town to c/monero@monero.town

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Federated matrix has become one of the most censored protocolls ever, despite being "decentralized and censorship resistant". Here is a discussion on the topic on our RS channel:

Matrix homeserver is blocking monero.social

Matrix is used heavily by devs and they reacted a bit nervous... https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2309

Although decentralized in theory, most of the landing and searching is done on the matrix.org homeserver. https://iv.datura.network/watch?v=W8KEuAEYjQ4 #Matrix - A Pit of Abuse with Government Ties If matrix is centralized enough by state agencies to enable graph anal

why use it at all?

They seem to use it for intelligence gathering.

we replace matrix with RS, then github once RS adds the function, a fully decentralized github, now that would be amazing :grin:

Now that would be awesome.

Sidenote: while in theory it is censorship resistant, in practice matrix.org is the only admin of the (automatically pulled) blocklist on github. The blocklist makes up +50% (!) of all content on matrix or +100,000 entries

according to the vid source.

Of course servers who dont pull the blocklist are facing hudge pressure because it can be inferred they are "hosting" pedo porn. How Monero got onto this list, i just dont know.... See u on Nostr ?

nostr is good, matrix is a good protocol in theory like you said, but the centralization to matrix.org renders it worthless.

btw 90% of all pedo porn is done by the feds in order to poison the well

i'd say 99% -> https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Pedophocracy The global elites are obssessed with violating and corrupting purity and innocent child. Their punishment in the afterlife will be like nothing that is even comphrehendable

censorship? there is an app for that. But it's not matrix.

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[-] Scolding0513@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

retroshare is the true decentralized social protocol

[-] MinekPo1@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 5 days ago

btw 90% of all pedo porn is done by the feds in order to poison the well

i'd say 99% -> https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Pedophocracy [...]

that's certainly a take , the linked wiki page contains no relevant information

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 5 days ago

This is an inherent problem that all federated platforms are going to have. Are you personally going to audit the entirety of the Matrix-verse? Or are you going to utilize a list from a trusted source? Do you want known pedos using your server?

Mastodon, Lemmy, etc., all maintain similar lists. I can see how someone might unfortunately get caught up in this unfairly but I'd argue the upsides outweigh the down.

[-] Scolding0513@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

Retroshare solves this issue by using voting and reputatiom systems, which naturally corner off people and content away from your eyes that you dont desire. instead of this huge hulking moderation oligarchy which is prone to petty censorship of legitimately differing ideas and speech. absolute power corrupts absolutely. retroshare gives you control of your own interactions and space.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 5 days ago

Retroshare solves this issue

I don't know what that is but the screenshot is literally Windows XP so, ya lost me. And I really can't be bothered to learn any new systems.

by using voting and reputatiom systems

I mean, that sounds much much worse. You're talking about some Black Mirror shit.

which naturally corner off people and content away from your eyes that you dont desire

Blocking people is easy enough on Fedi...?

retroshare gives you control of your own interactions and space.

You can create and run your own instance and control whatever federation you want that way if your only concern is about your personal viewing habits...most people are concerned about the spread of hate speech.

[-] hfondmanager@monero.town 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

They claim it's to thwart pedos and hate speech.

But let’s not get it twisted, it is about monitoring and controlling the money supply. They want us on their system, not our own system.

[-] Scolding0513@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago

such a good article. forgot about this news site.

yeah the point about how "they" expect everyone to hand over their KYC details and butthole pics to random corporations only to have them breached. after that happens, they dont give a shit, we're just pions to them. but if we dare do anything without KYC, boom, we're the bad guy.

fuck this whole system. protect yourself, always prepare for the worst. never trust.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 5 days ago

Who is "they"? Matrix org?

[-] hfondmanager@monero.town 0 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Psychopaths . You didnt read.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 15 hours ago

Yes I'm sorry I didn't read your link to "rekt.news" 🙄

[-] hfondmanager@monero.town 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I am actually glad you bring this up. You almost give the answer yourself, because RS is not a federated platform.

Thinking inside the dichotomy of censor-or-not i agree with you. But it is possible to step outside this box. In RS you don't have one entity maintaining a blocklist, but every user maintains a whitelist of 25-50 friends. You wouldn'd accept a pedo as a friend, do you? And I suppose you wouldn't want people of bad character to maintain a blocklist FOR YOU either.

It might be a new concept to some influenced by the current zeitgeist promoting antisocial behaviour that friendship must be earned. Avoiding this efford, taking the easy way out and delegating responsibility to a distant authority they have no vote in, however, makes people into a disconnected mass very much powerless.

RS might look retro, but under the hood enables democratic and trusted relationships which are under constant attack by social engineering these days. Imagine being locked down during the next virus and confined to reddit 24/7 and other "social" media. How would you feel about that?

[-] hfondmanager@monero.town 1 points 5 days ago

There is even a more political answer. To resist indoctrination the most powerful way is to organize. Organization is difficult even under best of circumstances these days. F2F networks may be an option.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 6 days ago

What is RS?

[-] hfondmanager@monero.town 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

https://monero.town/post/3524320

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 6 days ago

oh wow, that thing is still kicking around?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroshare

Retroshare is a free and open-source peer-to-peer communication and file sharing app based on a friend-to-friend network built by GNU Privacy Guard (GPG).[4] Optionally peers may exchange certificates and IP addresses to their friends and vice versa.[5][6]