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[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

They also thought Hilary was going to win in a landslide. It's laughable how dumb the DNC is and how they think they know so much better than the American population. The primaries happened l. It's over. He's who we're stuck with

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Bullshit, we never had genuine primaries.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The primary was genuine. The DNC candidate support was not.

Had they provided Bernie with the same media coverage and platform of support as Hillary, the passively informed wouldn’t have seen him as “the socialist who wants you to pay for other people’s kids to go to college.”

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It would be nice if MSNBC didn't go on about Bernie literally executing them using the old Communist tropes too... Between corporate media and the DNC real candidates that aren't just neolib assholes will never get a fair shake.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Absolutely. Not to mention Cambridge Analytica’s manipulation of Facebook users through psychographic profiling having a huge influence on the boomers.

[–] macaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago

I heard from media how aloof Bernie was. Then I heard him speak and talk to people during events and learned he was much less aloof than they made him out to be. All part of the business as usual party.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Some would say, anti democratic.

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There never are when an incumbent is running. I agree that that's a bad thing, but it's the normal thing and the same thing that happened this year.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

I agree and I want that to change after this fucking dumpster fire... but I honestly don't understand the "But we haaad primaries" argument.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There weren’t any real primaries. I literally one had one choice on my ballot

[–] quicklime@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think you may be mistaken if you're implying that the DNC is the entity that is trying to get Biden to step aside.

The DNC is currently engaged in an all-out effort to lock Biden in by getting delegates to commit before convention. Those who are trying to get him to step aside, on the other hand, are a bunch of Democratic congressional representatives, donors, and other party figures -- not the national party committee itself.

Edit -- just since yesterday, apparently the DNC has dropped its plan to hold the "roll call" by which they were going to get their delegates committed before August. A group of Democratic senators who had written and co-signed a letter in protest of that activity have withdrawn the letter, saying their purpose is achieved (i.e., saying the DNC isn't going ahead with the bullshit). But now maybe all bets are off since the president has contracted COVID?

[–] tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The primaries happened l. It's over. He's who we're stuck with

With these leaked conversations from Pelosi, Schumer, and Jefferies, it doesn't seem like the party thinks he's the candidate they're stuck with. Seems even the leadership feels they were kept in the dark about Biden's current state through the primaries.

My question is, who is ride or die for Biden at this point? The people I know on the left are voting against Trump, rather than for Biden or even for a Democrat, and have said they would vote for just about any Democrat with a pulse to beat Trump.

Is it the moderates? Maybe in 2020, when Biden was the familiar voice of reason running against a proven conman with four years of endless headlines of corruption and destruction of norms. But that's not what people have stored in their recent memory this time around, and it's not the Biden we have now. He can't string together a lucid rebuttal to the practiced silver tongue that seems to have half of America fooled.

This late in the game, the only way I see the Democrats beating Trump is if they win the same moderate voters who were sick of the uncertainty and disruptions of the Trump presidency, and Biden can't seem to coherently communicate the dangers of returning to that anymore. The Democrats need to put forward a candidate that remembers both the start of their sentences and points they were trying to make by the time they reach the end, even after 8pm.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Then Trump wins if Biden stays.

[–] Icalasari@fedia.io 7 points 2 years ago

Not guaranteed, it looks bleak but this has been one weird ass election season. I mean fuck, Trump nearly getting killed somehow didn't affect the polls, plus both Trump and Biden could easily drop dead at any day of natural causes (including illness) just because of sheer age

Only thing I can really say for certain is vote as if your life depends on it, have an escape plan prepared, and be prepared for a potential civil war because seriously what the hell is this election

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

No way Biden makes it though the campaign. He looks worse and worse at every speech he gives. That job is taking it toll.