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Is anyone else highly concerned with the SCOTUS ruling that the POTUS is immune from criminal liability? (lemmy.autism.place)

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So like, I'm not trying to be hyperbolic or jump on some conspiracy theory crap, but this seems like very troubling news to me. My entire life, I've been under the impression that no one is technically/officially above the law in the US, especially the president. I thought that was a hard consensus among Americans regardless of party. Now, SCOTUS just made the POTUS immune to criminal liability.

The president can personally violate any law without legal consequences. They also already have the ability to pardon anyone else for federal violations. The POTUS can literally threaten anyone now. They can assassinate anyone. They can order anyone to assassinate anyone, then pardon them. It may even grant complete immunity from state laws because if anyone tries to hold the POTUS accountable, then they can be assassinated too. This is some Putin-level dictator stuff.

I feel like this is unbelievable and acknowledge that I may be wayyy off. Am I misunderstanding something?? Do I need to calm down?

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[+] sorghum@sh.itjust.works -16 points 4 months ago

https://www.aclu.org/video/aclu-ccr-lawsuit-american-boy-killed-us-drone-strike

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ah yes, totally comparable to a president assassinating his political rival on US soil. Great comment!

[-] sorghum@sh.itjust.works -5 points 4 months ago

Political rival doesn't mean anything. This ruling means any president will get away with it and we'll likely need a constitutional amendment to fix. Hopefully ending qualified immunity would eliminate it.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 4 points 4 months ago

Any president can get away with it, but only one party's candidates will actually do it.

The party that put these fascist judges on the bench will do it, in case that wasn't obvious.

[-] sorghum@sh.itjust.works -5 points 4 months ago

If you think it's the Democrats that'll fix it, I have a bridge to sell you.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago

I didn't say anything about them fixing it, just not abusing it.

[-] sorghum@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That's still a naive take. It's one thing I've noticed in this world is that most everyone is fine with authoritarianism so long as it's their team/side/tribe/party calling the shots. It's still giving power to people that shouldn't have it and all it accomplishes is that they can and will step harder on you and keep you under their boot.

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago

The Dems and their constituents are not ok with this power for the president.

I just made a comment as a contrast to the Republicans who stacked the courts to get this decision so they could abuse it.

The only people who are ok with this are the Republicans.

[-] sorghum@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Democrats made absolutely no noise when presidents of their party made powerful (IMHO unconstitutional) executive orders the last biggest being the drone strike ordered by Obama that killed an American without due process.

You can bellyache about this court, but there was no noise from Democrats when the Warren and Burger courts legislated from the bench and ignored precedent for most of last century.

My point is when Democrats do it, Republicans gripe about it but secretly like having that power when they get on office, and when Republicans do it, Democrats will gripe but will use that same power when they get in office. If you want real change vote for people that opposed it when both parties did it.

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