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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[-] dgerard@awful.systems 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not sure which sub a heartwarming story of Nazis shooting their own dicks off goes under, but: Nina Power of Compact gets called a nazi. Sues for defamation. In discovery, produces extensive facts not just supporting Nazi ideas but calling herself a Nazi. Loses so hard she just declared bankruptcy.

there has been no media coverage of this, but hoo boy does there need to be

EDIT: ohhh it's the fuckin LD50 gallery, straight up NRX. Judgement, PDF

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 7 points 4 months ago
[-] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

we have scientifically ascertained that this is in fact that rare correct use case for the following emoji sequence: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 4 months ago

Wonder how the lawyers reacted when they got that treasure trove filled with stolen nazi gold during discovery.

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

Wonder how Power and Miller's lawyers reacted, lol

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 4 months ago

They will certainly win a lot of drinks in any 'who has had the dumbest clients' contests.

'And then we found the "I’m definitely a Nazi now lol" message' is a great punchline for a dumbest client ever joke

[-] sc_griffith@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago

I read the judgement quite carefully and it makes no reference at all to the discovery material. the only evidence it demonstrates awareness of is public or is testimony

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago

there are some phenomenal whoppers just in the opening paragraphs of that article, holy shit

this is gonna make great piecemeal reading today!

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

discovery as humiliation conga line of "fairy alien nazi racism is totally my bag baby"

[-] V0ldek@awful.systems 9 points 4 months ago

"fairy alien nazi"? What kind of a multiclass is this

[-] self@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago

hahahaha happy garbage day everybody

The logs also show Ms Power claiming that "the social disapproval for ‘racism’ is a psyop to stop people realising that there are alien and fairy races", and that "black and white were alien races and very different".

wait, is believing in fairies as an adult a weird racist thing? fuck, it’d kind of make sense if the people I’ve known who just causally slipped “by the way fairies are real” into casual conversation were doing a dogwhistle I didn’t pick up on

[-] o7___o7@awful.systems 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

one day I'll find a way to shoehorn our experience with a Waldorf School into a sneer.

In summary, fairy-themed fascism can be tied back into the whole Helena Blavatsky, Rudolph Steiner, esoteric Hitlerism shtick. You most commonly get ambushed with it when dealing with fallen hippies, but it is diffusing into the wider online right via weird 4chan things.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago

the original recipe nazis were deep into occultism so maybe

[-] jonhendry@iosdev.space 4 points 4 months ago

@self

This is one of those David Icke things where you’re not sure if reptilians/fairies/aliens mean reptilians/fairies/aliens or if they're some kind of code or euphemism.

[-] self@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

having unfortunately known several David Icke fans: it’s always veiled antisemitism, and the veil gradually disappears the more you let them talk

e: yes, the area I live in is teeming with various flavors of conspiracy nut, why do you ask

[-] mpk@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago

I vaguely remember his original car crash on Wogan after he went loopy and it was barely veiled antisemitism even then - lizard people and the like

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 4 months ago

"ah ah but he wrote books - that surely can't be the works of a person frothing in racism!" is something I've heard from a surprising number of people I've met

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 4 months ago

if racism made people illiterate every facebook group and every youtube comment section would look completely different

[-] gnomicutterance@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

If you always bet on "everything confusing that weirdos say is a euphemism or proxy for Jews or Black people", you will beat the house. Canadians, lizards, trans people, common punctuation marks, apparently also the seelie court I guess.

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago

the answer is "both"

[-] dgerard@awful.systems 3 points 4 months ago

see also all the TERFs yesterday loudly coming out in support of Power and her Nazi revelation

the TERF to nazi pipeline is a doorway, or perhaps just walking over to the other side of the same room

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 4 months ago

the TERF to nazi pipeline is a doorway,

It is funny how mad TERFs get when you mention they are saying the same things as neo-nazis, and then a few days later another TERF who is also a natzi is revealed again.

[-] jonhendry@iosdev.space 3 points 4 months ago

@self

Have to wonder what happened to her brain since the days when she had stuff published at the Guardian.

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago

given some of the other things I've seen from the guardian, not sure that would've necessarily been a contraindicator

[-] jonhendry@iosdev.space 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

@froztbyte

I mean they didn't seem very fashy at first. The later ones (2018, when she was fashy on the down-low ) started to get TERFy but earlier (2010-2014) it was all "the police aren't your friend” and stuff about government trying to restrict the right to protest, etc.

(I looked over her Guardian contributions after reading about the bankruptcy etc in this thread.)

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 3 points 4 months ago

I guess that is the same duration/timeline as the guardian downslope arc

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[-] dgerard@awful.systems 3 points 4 months ago

she had a piece in The Quietus in 2018, but by 2020 they had kicked a writer out for being pals with DC Miller, her co-plaintiff in this case

(just for confusion one of the Quietus guys is a different Luke Turner)

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I know someone who's a practicing christian and has said they've seen angels

technical, intelligent person on all fronts otherwise. I have .... not pushed matters

(e: not claiming this person I reference is racist, more that I've heard some really fucking kooky shit in many spectra, so I don't know how much of a heuristic that sort of thing is by itself. the fairies thing may be a bit more concrete/direct - gonna have to try test it on some flaming racists sometime)

[-] mountainriver@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago

I think the connection isn't with belief in the supernatural, but with the specific belief that there are things around us that look like people but aren't people. I can easily see how the latter at minimum makes one very susceptible for racism.

If people start believing that androids are a real thing (not the OS, human like robots), it's only a matter of time before people will be accused of being androids.

[-] hirvox@mastodon.online 3 points 4 months ago
[-] cstross@wandering.shop 6 points 4 months ago

@hirvox @mountainriver @froztbyte Like a lot of other things that were funny in the late 80s and early 90s, the NPC meme has lost its shine …

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago

agreed, far too much chan shittery attached to it

[-] mountainriver@awful.systems 7 points 4 months ago

I thought that was Hirvox point, that the NPC meme now goes hand in hand with Chan shittery because the NPC meme allows for an easy format to say that other people are not real people. With the added bonus of a built-in "just joking" defence.

[-] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I see echoes of it when idiots discuss ChatGPT being AGI - “it’s at the level of the average (dumb) human, so it’s AGI”. Implicit is that the average human isn’t just not intelligent, but unaware of reality in a way that makes them like NPCs in computer games.

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Edit here’s an example, no source because I don’t want to start a dogpile.

If you concede that there exist humans that are bullshit in the same way that ChatGPT is, then I don’t think that argument against ChatGPT’s sentience is gonna be particularly persuasive either.

If you say “ChatGPT doesn’t actually think” and later on, “and some humans don’t either” - that weakens the strength of the first assertion by a lot, imo.

I mean, if ChatGPT is only sentient to the degree that the least sentient (conscious) human is, then we’re still talking about AGI.

[-] gnomicutterance@awful.systems 8 points 4 months ago

If you concede that there exist humans that are bullshit in the same way that ChatGPT is

If you concede that cats are made of marmalade and always win Texas Hold 'Em games, then I don't think the argument against squaring the circle holds up.

[-] hirvox@mastodon.online 8 points 4 months ago

@mountainriver @froztbyte Yes, and if confronted the memelord can retreat into the more palatable-in-polite-company form of “they just repeat what they’re told _as if_ they were reprogrammable and without any individual thought”. And _clearly_ the confronter is one of them, because they didn’t recognize this important nuance, thus proving the point.

[-] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

such people are not much different from movie sharks: you boop ‘em on the nose to make them go away

[-] hirvox@mastodon.online 4 points 4 months ago

@cstross @mountainriver @froztbyte What's old is new again. I hear even phrenology is making a comeback.

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