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[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That Amerikans don't deserve any special consideration, and in fact, deserve a Century of Humiliation where the odious "please collaborate in our genocide so the ~~cryptofascist oligarchy~~ Democracy™ that ~~anglo-saxon, protestant-descended magnates and a small fraction of uplifted misleaders~~ we All™ enjoy will be saved!" brainworm is concerned.

Yes. My principles do matter to me more than you do at this point if you're going to look me in the face and tell me I have to support a genocider, all so you (or whatever minority you're about to only care about long enough to use as a cudgel) can remain comfortable.

[–] DarkGamer@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I suspect your definition of genocide differs from the legal one, because the US hasn't supported a genocide since we did native Americans dirty. The term had not yet been coined then.

[–] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 4 points 1 year ago

Do you disagree that the US isn’t supporting Israel, then, or do you disagree that what Israel is doing to Palestinians amounts to genocide?

Some reading for you in case you’re somehow not familiar with the topic:

Even if the international courts don’t rule that Israel is committing genocide, that will necessarily have been influenced by the United States’s close ties to Israel, so that they haven’t yet said whether it is or isn’t genocide is irrelevant. According to the evidence we have, it is.

That said, see also the intro of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_genocide_in_the_United_States

Others, like historian Gary Anderson, contend that genocide does not accurately characterize any aspect of American history, suggesting instead that ethnic cleansing is a more appropriate term.

I’ve seen that same statement by people opposed to the use of the word “genocide” when talking about Israel’s genocide of Palestine, and it’s just as credible there as when “historian Gary Anderson” said it. At best, such a stance is pedantic; at worst, it supports Israel’s genocide by denying and enabling it.