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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

It fucking stuns me that we still use coal in this day and age.

[-] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 3 days ago

Honestly, better than gas. Like, yah, natural gas has lower co2 per unit of power at the power plant, but there’s methane leaking all along the supply chain, a green house gas 40 times more potent than Co2.

between 5-10% of the methane that comes out of a well ends up leaking somewhere along the line. To make the heating effect even break even with coal the leak rate would have to be closer to 1%.

Not advocating to keep burning coal, just saying that what we’ve been replacing it with is worse. I’d rather we keep a coal plant open and wait for an opportunity to replace with with a non-carbon emitting power source than build a shiny new gas plant that’s going to be kept around for at least 20 years.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago

Ng has half the CO2 and pretty much eliminates the others like NOx, SOx, PM, etc. Yes leaking can be an issue but there's obvious incentive to not have leaks, you can place power plants close to the ng source, etc. Coal can never be clean.

[-] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Natural gas can never be clean ether, and the cost of sealing up the supply chain is more expensive than just drilling more, some states have tried to put in laws to set a minimum leak rate and natural gas companies lobbied to prevent the bills from passing. Far from the first example of natural gas companies lobbying against laws that would cut in to their profits.

Natural gas as a bridge fuel was a distraction to divert the public away from actual solutions. It’s worse for climate change than coal is and plenty of in-depth reports, papers, and research bear this out.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

I think that's bad faith to talk as if coal and ng are the same level of dirty (oh you just come out and say it's worse lol), so I'm out. Coal is ludicrously dirty. Just ridiculous. You have no idea. Even coal mining releases methane, which is intentionally vented.

[-] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It’s bad faith to try and move the goal post and act like this conversation was about anything but heating effect and climate change.

It is a fact that natural gas (read methane) infrastructure and power generation has a greater heating impact than coal.

Edit: want to be very clear here, I’m not sayin coal is clean. I’m not saying it is good to live next to a coal plant. I’m not saying build more coal plants.

I’m saying, don’t replace coal with natural gas. Put in solar, nuclear, wind, geothermal, hydro electric, ANYTHING but natural gas. If none of that is possible, then leave the damn coal plant until it is possible. Locking our selves in to 20~30 years of gas is basically guaranteeing a catastrophic climate disaster.