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No. Just no, dude. 64% of Democrats thought he was too old to run, and the party didn't even hold a primary. Then he walks out for his first debate and gives an incoherent performance that completely validates everyone's fears about his age, and you want to play it off with a, "bUt HeR eMaiLs!" meme? Screw that. We shouldn't be trying to convince people they didn't see what they saw, we should be figuring out how to get him off the fucking ticket.
Why does nobody ever talk about how Trump is too old to run?
Because that doesn't help Trump get elected.
The people who helped Trump are the ones who made sure the candidate was an unpopular geriatric, not the people who pointed out that was a bad idea.
Being an unpopular geriatric doesn't seem to be hurting Trump with his voters. You're doing the very thing I called out in my comment.
Yeah, the difference is the GOP held a primary, and his voters chose a geriatric. The DNC didn't hold a primary, and ignored polling that showed their voters didn't want a geriatric. And since you've already admitted you haven't seen the debate, I don't actually care about what you've, "called out," in your comment, since you literally don't know what everyone else here is talking about.
I've heard Trump speak. I've seen the shit he posts. I didn't need to see yet another example of him acting like a cracked-out dementia patient to know that's what he is. I have yet to hear a single criticism of Biden that doesn't fit Trump to a T.
You're welcome to bury your head in the sand if you want, but then you don't get to talk down to the people who aren't choosing willful ignorance. Either watch the debate to find out why people are questioning Biden's fitness or stop talking.
Biden could be a literal corpse and I still wouldn't understand why anyone thinks Trump is better.
No one here is saying that, they're saying that Biden did much worse than Trump in the debate, which is once again making people concerned about his age. And again, you'd understand where they were coming from if you'd actually seen the debate.
Trump could be the youngest presidential candidate in history and he would still be essentially just as bad. Possibly even worse. If Biden didn't have these excruciating moments where he seems super senior and gets incoherent he would be pretty good. Unless you happen to be a Palestinian obvs.
Anyway, people have higher standards for Biden and THEY SHOULD.
People would start talking about it if Biden stepped down and the Dems put up someone under 70. But since we're comparing him to Joe those sort of critiques don't hold as much weight.
Thanks for illustrating my point by spewing anti-Biden bullshit while giving Trump a free pass for bent a dottering old moron.
I tried convincing trump voters hes shit long ago, but every conservative community immediately bans me.
He is too old to run, but he was able to form coherent sentences last night, and Biden couldn't. Biden lost that debate. HARD. I wish he hadn't, but he did, and pretending that he didn't isn't helping anybody.
The problem is that people are judging who "won" the debate by how confident the candidate sounded rather than, you know, how batshit crazy their positions are (Trump) versus how relatively normal their positions are (Biden).
Winning a debate isn't about who's position you agree with, it's about who can create a better argument for their position. I 100% support Biden's position on abortion over Trump's, but I have no idea what Biden was trying to say about the 3 times of Roe v. Wade, while Trump's position (that it should be decided by state law) was completely clear. He also threw in a bunch of lies about how it was an unpopular Supreme Court decision (it was actually a pretty uncontroversial decision I'm 1973), but I understood what he was saying.
I still don't how you could say Trump presented better arguments for anything. He lives and dies by the non-sequitur. He does, however, project 100% confidence in anything he says. He is a man of confidence. A confidence man.
This is not what I'm saying, this is by far the overwhelming consensus. If you think they did equally bad, fine, but the majority of people did not see it that way. This isn't just leftists or MAGA shitting on Biden, here's centrist Democrat Claire McCaskill on Rachel Maddow openly questioning whether or not Biden will be forced off the ticket after this performance.
That video says nothing about the actual content of the debate and who "won". It's just saying that Biden was low energy and occasionally incoherent, which I think everyone can agree on. And it's dangerous because that's what Republicans have been hammering on since before the last election.
Yeah...those are the reasons Biden lost. He basically validated every claim that he was too old and senile to be President. Like, I don't know what your definition of winning is here, but being low energy and incoherent is generally considered a bad thing in a debate. You keep bringing up, "content," like there were objective, correct answers to the questions, but that's how quiz shows work, not debates. Debates are all about how you present yourself and your arguments, and Biden completely beefed it on both, while Trump was relatively poised and lucid. It was, by pretty much every metric, a stunning defeat.
Your argument is basically that debates are meaningless performances where no rational person should care about who "won". Which I suppose I agree with, but I don't consider it a good or even neutral thing. Political debates as they exist now are bad and should never be allowed to happen, because all they do is allow the loudest asshole to look good while distracting voters from anything that matters.
I didn't see the debate, but calling Trump coherent under any circumstances is very generous. He just spews word salad and bullshit with no regard to the topic he's supposed to be addressing.
You should go ahead and watch the debate and then get back to us.
Because it's far down on the list of reasons he shouldn't be president.
Fucking exactly, amen. Biden couldn’t make any sense. Trump should be in jail, and Biden needs to be replaced on the dem ticket asap.
Gaslighting the public in to maintaining the status quo for the rich and powerful..
E: and before the die hard liberals descend on me and accuse me of being a trump supporter because they can only see the world in blue or red - the alternative being worse doesn't make your guy any good (nor did I mention the word "vote" - or don't - once), it only proves that the system is rigged to never serve you. Now if only you were willing to confront this admittedly uncomfortable fact and move on from the fairy tale you've been sold, we might actually get some progress instead of treading water by "reducing harm" (all the while harm is not actually being reduced, we're just being held hostage in exchange for it theoretically not getting worse)
It's been obvious for a long time and the lies just kept going. Now, instead of eating shit, they're changing the narrative. If you see through it, though, welcome to Moscow, comrade!
They did hold primaries. It just was not as showy as the republican one.
No they didn't. There were no debates. Alternative candidates were kept off the ballot in multiple states. Florida and Delaware didn't even hold votes. If this had happened in a foriegn country we'd be calling it autocracy.
FALSE. Biden was in trouble for a hot second. And trump was struggling against a young woman. You and the rest of these idiots complaining ONLY NOW WHEN IT’S TOO LATE about elected candidates just thought the trump trial was more entertaining at the time.
Everything I said is a fact, except for the last sentence, which is opinion. And if you think I just started complaining about Biden's age and the lack of a Democratic primary, you're welcome to go through my comment history and find out how spectacularly wrong you are.