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Sure, I've read the Communist Manifesto too.
That one's kinda weak for learning why fascism is inevitable in a Capitalist system. Wage Labor and Capital and Value, Price and Profit both do a much better job of actually explaining the inherent unsustainability of Capitalism.
As fun to read as the CM is, it's ultimately a pamphlet to radicalize workers, it isn't really a solid overview of Marxist theory.
Marxism is a fun thought experiment, but changing a system of government popularized by a known antisemite while knowing it’s really never been successful anywhere else, is not really worth the damage it would create.
And before you think to argue, maybe look into what happened to Bulgaria when they tried socialism. Hell… even Russia isn’t socialist anymore.
Marx was of Jewish descent and advocated for Jewish liberation, so now this is just a pure lie. He even went out of his way to take down the author of The Jewish Question, which was one of the most antisemetic works of his time, specifically to argue against antisemitism.
Additionally, Socialism has absolutely been successful, especially when compared to where Socialist countries were before they transitioned. You know what happened when the USSR dissolved? Millions of excess deaths, a plumetting of life expectancy, literacy rates, GDP, and more, and only in the last decade or so has the Russian Federation began to approach quality of life metrics that the USSR had.
You're talking utter nonsense.
The only people that think Marx WASN’T an antisemite, are marxists. Imagine that!
But wait! Marx said he isn’t? Well I guess that settles it! He can’t be if he says he isn’t!!!
And Hitler was also…. Of Jewish descent, so by this example, it can’t ipso facto make him not antisemite.
I’m not arguing to change your mind here. So I’m not goin to argue the subject with you. I just wanted the opposing argument to your bullshit to be seen so anyone reading along can be informed on either side of this argument.
And currently there are no viable models that show that an pure socialist system will work in America.
Any proof?
Are you telling me that writing a book to deliberately take down one of the most antisemetic pieces of literature of his time isn't a pretty good point in favor of him not being antisemetic? What books taking down antisemitism have you written?
Let me know when you find evidence of Marx mass murdering Jewish people.
I can tell that you aren't interested in arguing, you've been doing nothing but vaguely gesture and vibe. Instead, you're doing an excellent job of showing how incoherent anticommunists are.
Mind explaining why you believe that?
ROFL… I relay hope Everyone reading along are able to understand false-equivalency like I do. Because you seriously have no argument here.
You tried arguing that because Marx was of Jewish decent- he couldn’t possibly be antisemite. So I gave an example that argued against this, and you come back with- “well he didn’t kill the Jews!”
That’s not a point that favors your side. And it’s downright ignorant to think it’s even relevant to the topic.
Regarding the rest of the nonsense you babbled… as I said, I’m not going to argue with you on this. My purpose was to point out the absurdity of what you’re saying. Nothing more. I believe all arguments should fairly display both opposing points, and you were preaching nonsense. So… sense needed to be injected into it.
And the .ml by your name is pretty much a dead giveaway to not allowed the discussion to go any further as it’s pretty well known that most people from there tie up the discussion by trying to put people on the defensive by wall-of-text accusations and demands for “proof” that their theoretical pipe-dreams are utter nonsense.
Not arguing with you. Socialism is a fucking stupid idea for America and history has shown it has been pretty much EVERYWHERE it’s been attempted.
Give me something to argue with, you are currently just slamming on your keyboard and sending whatever stream of consciousness happens to spill out.
That was one part of what I said, and the least important. I specified that Marx was of Jewish descent to add context, as Jewish Antisemites are far more rare than non-Jewish Antisemites.
Your reply was that Hitler was of Jewish descent too, which doesn't say anything about Marx. The fact that people of Jewish descent can be antisemetic does not mean that people of Jewish descent are antisemetic, which is what the Hitler point meant.
Additionally, you keep dodging the fact that Marx wrote an entire book defending Jewish people and criticizing one of the most vocal antisemites of his time, while offering no proof or evidence of his supposed antisemitism.
What part is absurd? Can you make a coherent point, so that we can have a conversation? You're continuing to vibe.
I am indeed a Marxist, I think anyone can tell that by now given that I have recommended people read Marx. I don't think having a .ml account makes much of a difference at this point.
In what manner? If Socialism has been shown to drastically increase housing rates, life expectancy, literacy rates, and the majority of people living in post-Socialist states wish to go back to Socialism, and the people living in currently Socialist states continue to support their governments and economic structure, in what manner is Socialism a stupid idea that has been "a fucking stupid idea?"
We’re done bud.