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[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago

Most cars sold in the EU are still combustion engines. Replacing them with EVs would make enviromental sense and China giving state money to make EU EVs cheaper is not that bad a move.

Problem is obviously that the EUs automotive industry has to compete, but that can be done by matching subsidies as well.

[-] the_strange@feddit.org 5 points 4 months ago

Personal EVs are not a solution. We need less cars overall, not replace combustion with EV. EVs still significantly contribute to pollution, noise and car-centered infrastructure. EVs are just the car industry's way of continuing business as usual without changing anything and is not environmentally friendly.

The only solution is more and better public infrastructure, more bikes and walkable cities, where the important things are either close by or sufficiently accessible by public transport.

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There is literally nothing stopping you from doing this, while also transitioning people away from petrol cars to much, much cleaner cars.

Not everyone is privileged enough to live in a city. Especially not one that has great transport links and lots of stuff nearby.

Cars will be around for decades, whether you (or I!) like it or not, so it makes sense for them to be as low-impact as we can make them.

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

As we replace ICE cars with EVs people will think "problem solved" and refuse to fund transit, bike lanes, denser housing. I see the point you are making but I'm worried society's capitalist attitude will use EVs as an excuse to kick the can of centric planning down the road.

We need to both. We need to bring all urban areas up to walkable standards and make them serviceable by transit. We need to provide EVs for rural people and those who refuse any other mode of transit for whatever reasons.

Just building the same way but with EVs instead of ICEs is still a massive impact on the environment. It wastes vasts amount of valuable urban lands while also being one of the least energy effecient modes of travel.

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