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Since you say they had no choice but to defend themselves violently pre October 7 then Isreal loses nothing by destroying gaza because they were already radicalized and already had a justification for war. So Isreal should take the opportunity oct7 provided to destroy all their military capabilities.
Palestinians have to realize that their situation isn't getting better when they "violently defend themselves" the only way to improve their situation is through diplomacy amwhich requires making concessions to reach a deal.
So we're just going full mask off genocide? Get a grip.
If you had any understanding of history, you'd know that has always been the case no matter what. Every decade, they've faced massacres, destruction of their homes, and ethnic cleansing.
It has always been the case that their situation isn't getting better, it has always been getting worse. Israel going full genocidal mode after October 7th was inevitable. At least now the world is paying closer attention and pressuring Israel and public officials to shut it down.
Not possible when Israel has a policy of "we will kill you, or take your home, we will accept nothing else".
Clearly you haven't been paying attention, because for he last several months Israel has constantly reiterated that regardless of what deals are made, the only condition for ending their attacks is the end of Hamas. But conveniently everybody who dies gets called Hamas. According to Israel, basically no civilians have been killed.
You can't negotiate with genocidal maniacs. There is no middle ground when one side wants genocide, and the other just wants to live.
From isreals point of view they are fighting a "just war" (oxymoron yes I know) and are free to complete their war aims of destroying hamas. The rest of the world isn't standing in the way of Isreal so they aren't forced to give up much more than some PR.
If you knew anything about history you would know why the Palestinian situation continues getting worse and why they are constantly in wars. It's definitely as much Palestinians blocking peace as Isreal.
Every single time a ceaswfire deal gets close hamas changes the deal at the last minute to something they know is unreasonable thereby taking negotiations back to step 1. If Palestinians wanted peace they would target hamas and not Isreal. They aren't going to defeat Isreal. The only thing standing In the way of a ceasefire is the gazan "government" and the Palestinian support for them. So we can rephrase that as the only thing in the way of peace is the Palestinians living in Gaza.
If a ceasefire deal isn't reached it won't be Isrealis dying it won't be Isreal losing land. The only people getting hurt are the Palestinians. I guess the Palestinians know thay they can just wait for the fighting to end and the rest of the world will come rebuild their cities and give them food, water and when have recovered they can go right back to attacking Isreal.
And from Germany's point of view, they were fighting a just war.
This is factually incorrect. You have it backwards.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/three-phase-ceasefire-deal-hamas-backs-israel-does-not-2024-05-06/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/live-updates-israel-urges-civilians-leave-eastern-rafah-cease-fire-hop-rcna150801
Israel has been pulling this shit since forever:
https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/11/22/23971375/israel-palestine-peace-talks-deal-timeline
And they've been doing ethnically cleansing the whole time:
https://imeu.org/article/the-nakba-65-years-of-dispossession-and-apartheid