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submitted 1 year ago by JRepin@lemmy.ml to c/technology@beehaw.org

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2811405

"We view this moment of hype around generative AI as dangerous. There is a pack mentality in rushing to invest in these tools, while overlooking the fact that they threaten workers and impact consumers by creating lesser quality products and allowing more erroneous outputs. For example, earlier this year America’s National Eating Disorders Association fired helpline workers and attempted to replace them with a chatbot. The bot was then shut down after its responses actively encouraged disordered eating behaviors. "

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[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm loving that business people are starting to see what modern day AI actually is. Us in the tech industry have known it ever since a first came out, very interesting technology with some real promise and applications, but not true AI. The article is right, it cannot create anything, it can't generate new concepts, by definition everything is derivative of previous work.

They're definitely some areas of business that can really benefit from this, but there's also a lot of limitations of it as well. It's ending up not being the perfect solution to end all labor that everyone assumed.

But worries me is in the future when we do have actual intelligent AI that can think, this just shows how business will immediately react to it. An excuse to finally get rid of all of us workers so they can buy their 18th yacht

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

What is the difference between creating something “truly new” and creating a “derivative work”?

Are you saying that anything that fulfills the same statistical interrelationships as the training set, is therefore a derivative of the training set?

Like if I asked the thing “What happens when I place a basketball on a table then lift one side of the table?” its answer is some derivative of other scenarios involving tilting tables with basketballs on them?

Or is it using knowledge of how “round” works, that “round” things “roll”, that “rolling” tends to go “downward”, that things reaching the edge of a platform then “fall”, etc?

These are statistically inferred relationships between words, but at a certain point recombining elements into new compositions is creation and not derivative work.

It’s like saying that Chopin made derivative work based on Beethoven because he heard Beethoven’s music and learned about beautiful note patterns from it.

Yes yes yes I get that, but it cannot create some brand new concept. It can make an amalgamation of things it can see, it can predict things, but only on ideas that have happened before, because something somewhere along the line it was trained on. I know what you're saying, but it doesn't have creative spark, it doesn't have imagination, it doesn't have life... yet.

It does a great job at creating derivative work, you can even ask it to create a new style - but that style will by definition be somehow derived from something it was trained on. Until it can think and beyond that - have imagination, then it's limited. In short, we need Data, not just data.

[-] lunarshot@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

It’s good at automating basic things, it can really help be a tool but it’s extremely lacking and while it will lead us to new places, I think it will go hand in hand with how we regulate and evolve alongside it.

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