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That wording is all you should need to hear to disregard the poll...
Literally no one is saying Israel can't defend itself.
And it's not what Israel has been doing the last 7 months.
That's a pretty extraordinary assumption to make.
Regardless of how you feel about that option there is little support among voters for withholding support for Israel until a ceasefire is reached. Less than 25% among all respondents, and less than 33% among Democrats and Independents who I'd consider potential Biden voters.
If you have a different poll I'd love to see it.
I haven't seen a single person in here link a poll, but y'all keep throwing out numbers...
So how about you link the poll you're talking about before asking others to find one?
And it's not what Israel has been doing the last 7 months.
Then that depends on what one thinks is necessary to achieve this.
They tried sitting back soaking up rockets and that just resulted in Hamas digging in and preparing to put a genocide on them
There's probably no real other option to defend against this happening again than going in heavy handed. Just like the US had to put a genocide on IS in Mosul and Raqqa to conclude those sieges
What?
You think that's what Israel has been doing?
That's just not a factual statement...
What about Israel not spending decades violating Palestinian human rights or not seizing their land against international law?
What about not kidnapping Palestinians in the middle of the night from their own country and torturing them till they admit to crimes?
You don't think that would ease tensions?
They were attacked on day 1 of their existence.
Sure, they're a bunch of genocidal religious fucks. But then, so is the other side.
So why would you say "they have the right to defend themselves" if your only practical implementation just amounts to "go back in time and magically fix a centuries old religious conflict"?
How do you classify invading land and killing civilians, while also cutting food and aid to said civilians as "defensive?"
Indeed!
Which turns us right back to the question: how should you defend yourself in this case?
You mean when foreign countries stole a bunch of land and gave it away?
You think right after that is when the conflict started?
And that it had nothing to do with Israel being formed by stealing it from the people who lived there continuously for thousands of years?
If you believe they have no right to live there and are free to be genocided until they leave, could you kindly explain what you meant with
So by "Israel has a right to existent"
You mean:
"Israel has a right to this stolen land, and also all the land they're able to steal in the future"?
Yeah, I'm done here.