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I don't think big companies know how to make a good FPS campaign anymore, let alone hone in on classic deathmatch multiplayer. The last FPS I bought was Half-Life: Alyx four years ago, and the first one to come along and interest me since then was Phantom Fury, but I'm letting that one iron out bugs for a few weeks before I pick it up. Even former TimeSplitters devs, given the opportunity to make a new TimeSplitters, made another Fortnite instead. Likely this new Perfect Dark was built to turn it into a live service that keeps players playing it forever rather than just making a fun deathmatch to play with your friends a handful of times, which would be missing the point. And all this is to say nothing about how those devs must be feeling when even a great game that sells well won't save you from Microsoft laying you off.

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[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Writers these days just seem to not know how to write an enjoyable story period. So much bad writing in the entertainment sector now, its not like back in the 80s and 90s where movie theaters were showing slapper after slapper, you'll be lucky to find maybe one or two that match up to the likes of Jurassic Park, Ghostbusters, Star Wars, or Titanic.

Its similar with games, but shifted forward a decade to the 90s and 00s. Games these days have a very hard time matching up to games like Ocarina of Time, Chrono Trigger, Silent Hill, or Metal Gear Solid. While games like Silent Hill 1 have laughably poor quality voice acting by todays standards in terms of sound quality, the story was well written and kept the player's interest. Of games from my recent memory, the only one that matches up is Elden Ring, which has gone the direction of basically removing all the writing from the game.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

It’s easy to remember just the successes of the past and ignore the fact that the vast majority of media then was shit too… we’ve simply forgotten about the things that ended up being mediocre. Survivorship bias is really really strong.

[-] Peffse@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

It's funny how much survivorship bias we have. Movies, Music, Games. It's so easy to forget how bad some previous stuff was.

[-] aniki@lemm.ee -3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Nah fam -- go look at the movies that came out in 92 or 94. They were all absolute masterpieces we still about. There's definitely a filter of time but there's a reason for the precedent. We went from having a good bell-curve of quality to just 95% shit, 5% sufficient.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I’d love to see a scientific study that shows this, if the effect really does exist.

[-] aniki@lemm.ee -1 points 3 weeks ago

The complete lack of Hollywood creativity? You're trying to use science to prove art. Just look at the releases that came out those years.

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls042393412/

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls076329509/

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

But what wasn't happening back then was prestige TV pulling the top Hollywood talent to streaming platforms for a gold rush.

[-] aniki@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago

That's not happening now either.

[-] Peffse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Is this bell curve change a recent thing? Because it looks to be the same ratio to me based on box office Pre-COVID.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/1992/

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/2019/

[-] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 9 points 3 weeks ago

It's like nostalgia blinders.

An example a lot of people here can relate to is thinking about game consoles and handhelds they played growing up like the GBA.

There were likely some great games produced for it but there was also a lot of shovelware movie tie-ins and horrendous ports that were misrepresented in advertisements.

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

I can think of plenty of games with writing I've really enjoyed in recent years, not the least of which is Baldur's Gate 3 just last year, but FPSes in particular are in one of only a few genres where I haven't been well served lately.

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

BG3 is another good example but surely you can agree that was like a drop of water in an ocean of sand. Games that well done are incredibly rare, and it mostly comes down to just writing. The actual game mechanics and graphics quality of games now are better than they have ever been for the most part. But the games are bad, not because of those things, but because the writing fails to capture the players interest.

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I would not agree with that, no. First because I'd say mechanics are almost always the most important part anyway, and also because I've probably come across more stories that have held my interest in recent years than I did 25 years ago. Stories were pretty basic back then, more often than not. In fact, these days, I've been carried through mediocre gameplay by well-told stories more than a few times, and I don't think that ever happened 25 years ago.

[-] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

As someone with an avatar of the Q from Quake 1, I can avidly say that writing was not better in the past.

Just off the top of my head from the last decade:

-Baldurs gate 3 -Firewatch -Return of the Obra Dinn -Disco Elysium -Tyranny -Shadowrun Dragonfall -Red Dead Redemption 2 -Witcher 3 -Hellblade Senuas Sacrifice -Life is Strange -Prey (2017) -The Red Strings Club

Seriously, go check the story to Perfect Dark. Hilarious? Yes. A "good story"? No.

There are myriad issues in gaming now that weren't there in the past, but good writing is (thankfully) still around.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

The writing in Disco Elysium is so good that it wouldn't matter if the gameplay between dialogue was just some match 4 bejewelled ripoff, it'd be worth it.

Anyway, I agree we've got so much better in the last decade+ at fitting fiction and gameplay together in a satisfying and complimentary manner.

I remember finding games like Chrono Trigger being as stumbling upon an overflowing oasis, compared to the paltry and usually badly translated heroes journeys that we typically got.

But now I can think of dozens of games, many of them indie, that have stories on par (and if I set aside my nostalgia goggles, even surpassing) that of old classics like CT.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Idk, my favourite writer is Brandon Sanderson and he still keeps writing with the supersonic speed. Maybe that's just you. Unless you mean writing in games and movies specifically, for which I am not qualified enough to say

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I was specifically talking about writing for video games and movies, I haven't read very many books or comics lately so I couldn't know if it applies there as well or not.

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