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Trump threatens to prosecute Bidens if he’s re-elected unless he gets immunity
(www.theguardian.com)
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"If you give me immunity for my crimes, I'll give you immunity for your crimes. Deal?"
"I haven't committed any crimes."
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You really just said genocide joe hasn't committed any crimes? Thats insane
Biden has not committed any crimes. Don't conflate what Bibi is doing with what Joe is doing. They are not the same person.
Yeah almost like "genocide Joe" is an inane nickname mischaracterizing the situation or something.
Supporting genocide, so I don't think its a mischaracterization at all.
Let's reframe this a little bit.
Would you agree to the nuance that a 1940s US nazi sympathizer, perhaps even one that sent them funds, isn't as bad as the nazi soldiers or their commanders themselves? Or is that also equivalent in your eyes?
Imo it's as bad, however, it's like trump et al are going to be super nazis in all this. So if I COULD vote for Biden he is the absolute no brainer, because trump will be a million times worse.
What would the reaction have been had he denied aid to Israel? The answer is fuck off, you made your bed.
His crucial role in support and push for the Iraq War which resulted in the estimated death of 1 million Iraqis and many american troops? Biden has been a war criminal and corrupt way before the palestine issue. You made your bed when you decided to give loyalty to these corrupt criminals. You're the reason why we have shot candidates and why we have corrupt people in power. Gtfo
See, this is where we differ. I am not loyal to Biden. I would support someone else in a heartbeat, have supported others instead of him.
I am not loyal to him, nor the Democratic party. I am, however, strongly against Trump and practically everything he does and stands for. To that end, I have to do what I can to see that he not be in a position of power again. To that end, I will vote against him, even if that means a. Vote for Biden.
LOL - "crucial role".
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/bidens-record-on-iraq-war/
"Biden was a consistent critic of the way the Bush administration handled the war: Its failure to exhaust diplomatic solutions, its failure to enlist a more robust group of allies for the war effort, and the lack of a plan for reconstruction of Iraq. Some of his comments proved to be quite prescient, including his warnings about the likely higher-than-expected cost and length of the war, and the complexity of “winning the peace” once Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein’s regime was toppled."
“I will vote for this because we should be compelling Iraq to make good on its obligations to the United Nations,” Biden said. “Because while Iraq’s illegal weapons of mass destruction program do not — do not — pose an imminent threat to our national security, in my view, they will, if left unfettered. And because a strong vote in Congress, as I said, increases the prospect for a tough, new U.N. resolution on weapons of mass destruction, it is likely to get weapons inspectors in, which, in turn, decreases the prospects of war, in my view."
You really need to stop blaming Biden for the actions of other people.
Biden voted against the first Iraq War in 1991. He only voted for the 2nd war because Bush conned everybody and said there was weapons of mass destruction.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1021/vote_102_1_00002.htm
Measure Number: S.J.Res. 2 (Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution )
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Cherry picked information to try and down play his role.
(https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/17/joe-biden-role-iraq-war)
More information can be found in the documentary "worth the price?" (https://youtu.be/rrLFQnlf6lQ)
Joe biden's support of israel isn't anything new, in fact he once said, "were there not israel, the United States would have to invent Israel to protect her interests in the region"
(https://youtu.be/FYLNCcLfIkM)
And, again, not the driving force you make him out to be, that was the Bush administration which he is literally on the record opposing.
If he does have blame, it's in believing the lies of the Bush administration... but back then, that was not uncommon.
https://fair.org/home/20-years-later-nyt-still-cant-face-its-iraq-war-shame/
I don't like that or anything else like it, including Israel, but I know the facts and the realpolitik and it was: rock -> Biden <- hard place. Israel was a big mistake by the USA and UK and as such they're both attached by a un-severable umbilical. Nobody else would've acted any differently.
My loyalty lies nowhere near Biden's government - I'm not even from the US, I'm British - I'm just realistic about the breaks. Carry on with the principled stand and see what kind of sainthood it grants you. If you're voting against Biden rather than opposed to Trump then you really will have a shit sandwich; your bed won't be made at all, you'll be sleeping rough.
And the only other person who would have been in the position to act would have been Trump. Considering it was Trump who moved the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, I don't think he would have much of a problem with this genocide.
It's so ridiculous that anybody would ignore the fact that Treason Trump would have cared much less about Gaza than anyone else.
[Trump urges Israel to ‘finish up’ its Gaza offensive and warns about global support fading]
https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b
Bernie Sanders says Treason Trump is the most corrupt president in American history. So if he wins YOU are the reason why we have corrupt people in power.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b
[Trump urges Israel to ‘finish up’ its Gaza offensive and warns about global support fading]
Trump is corrupt but so is supporting a God damn genocide. Trump did say to finish up but he also added "you need to get peace" so thats out of context
other than, you know, the whole supporting Israel and its genocidal acts thing
You can disapprove of the actions but supporting an allied nation with money or weapon sales is squarely a presidential act, nobody thinks presidents should personally be held criminally liable for their presidential duties.
Yeah, The Hague can try him if they’d like, but the United States has no evidence of a crime
That might be a crime against humanity, but it isn't a crime in the US criminal code.
convenient, aint it?
Charge Congress with that crime.
You know Trump is the one who moved the embassy to Jerusalem which is ultimately the match that lit the keg.
Right? These Russian or right-wing grifters would be fawning over support for Israel and Bibi's genocide if it was tRump in there right now. Fuck, the dude would probably have sent US troops to aid in ground offensives alongside the IDF.
It's tiresome, and I just want this collective nightmare for most, and wet dreams for others, to be over. The constant goal-post dodgeball game is beyond overplayed at this point. Anyone who still conflates what Biden is doing with regards to Israel and what tRump would do in the same position, are beyond help at this point, IMO. tRump supporters have, for nearly a decade now, refused to accept reality as it exists, and instead are perfectly content with tRump so long as he is hurting the right people. They simply cannot distance their ideology from their politics so they double-down.
This is why MAGA constantly thinks all those voting for Biden and the Democratic party are doing so because they are loyal to Biden and the party. Most of us voting for Biden are not loyal at all to the Democrats or Biden. We vote for whomever will move the needle toward the kind of world we want to live in. tRump absolutely will do the up opposite, we already know that from the first circus of an administration.
Whatever keeps that traitor out of positions of power is a good thing for this country, it's people, and the world. tRump is a weak-man's version of a strong-man. He deserves no less than jail time.