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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago

It's demonstrably not, but westerners just keep clinging to their failed system lacking the courage and imagination to try anything different.

[-] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago
[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

What they do in Cuba, or the PRC, or the former USSR

[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago
[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago
[-] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

What definition of proletarian democracy? It’s not well defined and means vastly different things to different people.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

A brutal crackdown on the ability of the bourgeoisie to influence elections, buy politicians, and hold office, such that liberals will crow about "human rights" and "freedom" being violated. We can draw fine distinctions between different systems, but fundamentally they still fall on the same side of the fence.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Democracy in which the bourgeoisie are denied political agency as class relations are in the process of being dissolved. The problem isn't actually democracy, the problem is that in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie (democracy where capitalists are in control) capitalist interests override democracy.

Not that democracy doesn't have problems inherently, but they're pretty minor compared to the problems we are facing.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago
[-] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

That’s not a political system at all. It’s a process that could be implemented in many styles of government. It is not incompatible with representative democracy either. It is a bad idea though. It means that a government has a hard time changing course, even when it needs to. Because it silences people from questioning decisions.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

It's literally how communist states are organized, how is it not a political system?

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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Almost any other kind of democracy. Representative democracy is better than fascism but it is the worst form of democracy

[-] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago

Worse than what form of democracy exactly?

[-] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

Everything else people have mentioned in the comments. Proletarian democracy, democratic centralism, participatory democracy, etc.

Well, the first two are really just a way of saying socialism.

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[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago
[-] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 months ago

Name one. One actually concrete form of democracy that would work better.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

How do you define "working"? Otherwise I don't know how you're measuring it. Would you say that a system that allows for literally one of the most unpopular genocides in history is "working"? Or a system that is working overtime to increase income and wealth disparity rather than reduce it? Is that working? I certainly wouldn't but I'm guessing you think that's working swell

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[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Whatever its called that cuba does where national representation is organized and chosen at the local level. Idk im not a political scientist.

But also name ten that are worse

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[-] sadschmuck@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

Participatory democracy

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