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Good, but would be great if climate control, volume/mute, and other things that need frequent adjustment while driving were also part of the mandate.
and opening the fucking doors
Is this some tesla thing or what?
Not just Tesla, bunch of manufacturers are doing this shit now.
Drive controls too, no swipe for reverse bullshit.
Yea I honestly hated when they made automatics go from a physical shifter that shifted actual gear linkage to electric selection dials. It's insanely stupid, and a fucking nightmare to repair, but now going to a touchscreen is asking to get people injured.
Tesla has mechanical door pulls on the interior but they are supposed to be for emergency use only. Otherwise there are buttons on the interior door handles.
Car seat adjustment, above seat vehicle interior lights, steering wheel adjustment, door handles, door locks, main rear view mirror, climate controls for vents and seats, car starting, and trunk and seat releases should all have controls that can be operated either directly or with physical buttons.
If there is ALSO a screen driven element, that’s fine, but this stuff needs to work without a screen.
This stuff is not being done for the sake of UX. It is for saving money at the expense of consumer safety.
This. Everyone, keep your eye on the ball.
I can see the case for some of them after you’ve been in a crash (although if the pyro fuse has blown, not much requiring switches will work anymore, regardless of the type of controls), but if you want physical controls for the rear view mirror for safety, you should probably start adjusting that before you start driving.
Same for cabin lights, whatever you’re doing that needs the lights on should probably be done stationary, if you care about safety.
People keep saying this but I don't buy it. Like, how much does some fucking buttons cost? Hell the cheap cars still have buttons and mechanical controls with cables and shit.
And at the cost of consumer dissatisfaction. I think this is just more "change for the sake of change" so that someone can justify their job at the company that we've all come to know from the tech world.
Enough. One screen may cost $5, but if it replaces 10 - 20 15¢ buttons, that's still worthwhile.
Especially since there would be labour cost savings installing buttons, and not having to spend time installing spacers replacing those buttons for different trims, when they can just do it all in one screen, and fold it into the infotainment system install cost.
No? It's not.
Hell, why not just remove the passenger seats, that would probably save a couple hundred dollars on every car!
If you are operating any of these while driving, you are doing something wrong
You shouldn't be adjusting your seats, steering wheel, and mirrors while driving. Interior lights neither, they should be off if you need them you're not looking at the road. Climate control is also non-critical all that might be annoying but you don't need to do it while driving. "car starting" isn't really a thing with many cars any more, even gasoline ones, they switch the motor off automatically when you're standing for a while and start once you select a gear, hit the throttle, whatever.
Door handles though I absolutely agree, it's a safety thing: You can make them fancy schmancy electric all you want but they also have to open the lock mechanically, e.g. by pulling the lever with some force none of that Tesla "open the maintenance hatch and find a steel cable to pull on".
Climate control actually is critical, since fogging/frosting of the windshield is a thing.
Ok most climate controls are non-critical. If you live in climates where fogging and frosting while already driving might be an issue (which are conceivable but rather extreme conditions) you should probably get into the habit of setting the controls to a sensible value as soon as you get in.
It's also a design thing, it really doesn't take much for a car to be smart enough to throw warm air at the inside of the wind shield (no AC required) if the temperature is low.
I have Tesla and their old design I could do easily while driving. They did a UI update and not everything takes several clicks. Anything that is critical to running the car should have a manual control. If touch screen isn’t available, you need to be able to operate the car, if nothing else to get to a repair center.
What controls do you need to operate the car?
I though everything the article mentions is already a physical control, like horn and windshield wipers.
It’s only temperature that is digital.
In the Tesla the wipers are on the touch screen.
I’ve heard new models also to change gears you use the touch screen. Mine has a control for that but I’ve heard in newer models they removed that.
Temperature is also touch screen.
For mine, the wipers are on the left side. You can click once to run it once and then use the roller buttons to change intensity
Do you have gear selector on yours ?
I’d actually like that setup. Mine is all touch for wipers since they are “automatic”.
My Audi has a control for it. Now I do feel the Audi has too many sticks. I have three which just seems like too many.
Gear selector? No of course not, mine doesn’t have gears (or so I’ve been told so). I was told that the idea is that the driver shouldn’t need to touch the touch screen mid drive, and honestly, imo it’s mostly like that. Having said that, I would like further improvement like temperature buttons/knobs.
Temperature is critical if your windshield fogs up. Teslas are steaming piles of garbage though, so no surprise on anything they do.
Exactly! Climate, audio, seats and mirrors controls also must be physical as they are more or less directly related to safety
Eh, I think this strikes the perfect balance where it ensures safety while not stifling innovation. Touchscreens are bad, and the consensus around that is growing. But the solution might not be a return to physical buttons, there are many possibilities and some might turn out easier and safer.
If you're implicitly suggesting voice commands or throwing "AI" into the mix, I would dare say that's worse.
No I'm just against closing doors. This is a great example of the bare minimum being regulated due to safety and it's regulated to be something tried and tested, like anything safety related should be. While letting the market, i.e. us consumers decide on the other stuff. It's not the right solution to have politicians decide how a cars auxiliary functions should be operated.
If looking at the screen to find the volume touch control causes more accidents than physical knobs, that's a safety issue.
It's clearly not the right solution to let car manufacturers decide that either, or we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.
Touch screens are not “bad”. They’re great for things like gps. They’re just bad for driving functions.
Was still talking about the safety stuff here. Like turn signals and hazard lights and the stuff the person above wanted added in climate controls etc
Then we agree. Anything driving related shouldn’t be in the touchscreen. Both my cars have touch screens my Tesla you have to use it for almost everything.
The Audi just for non-driving functions.
The Tesla use to be better but they changed it. It’s harder to do anything on it now.