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[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago

How many planets did Vegeta destroy that we didn't see? We saw that one that was such a casual fucking thing for him.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Even after he turned good, he was still willing to kill a stadium full of people to get Kakarot to fight him. He acted like he was under control of the Majin spell but only went along with it until they started acting superior to him, then was just like, "nah, I just want to fight Kakarot because I've been training very hard and he's usually dead these days and I miss fighting with my buddy but don't tell anyone I called him my buddy, and I thought pretending to be under your control would get him to fight me, but I'm not going to bow to you or any of that shit."

Though I can't remember if he actually did kill some of them or if he just did an attack he knew Goku would stop, which would affect how evil the ruse was.

[-] PotatoKat@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

He killed those people. I guess you could argue since he knows about the dragon balls that they could wish them back after, but he still straight up killed them to get goku to fight.

Tbh I don't think vegeta really was a good guy until he fought kid buu. He was pacified sure and maybe even on the path to being good, but that was because his target was gone and to his knowledge was never coming back. That's why I love his turn to majin so much. It's a hardcore backslide because his target came back and if it wasn't for that he never would have realized how much everything on earth actually meant to him.

I don't consider him good after going for fat buu because he wasn't being selfless yet. Him + goku could have taken buu on but he felt like HE needed to be the one to finish the job. His sacrifice was hollow since it (despite what he said) was for him. If it really was for everyone he would have let goku join to guarantee a win.

It wasn't until he fought kid buu that he was actually being selfless. He let himself get wailed on so goku could charge up knowing he both stood no chance and could potentially be permanently erased since he was already dead. The "you are number one" speech is the conclusion to his story and his redemption.

This became a bit of a ramble but I love Vegeta's story and could probably keep going if I had the time

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Yeah, Vegeta is ambiguously good/evil but makes the story better by being in it regardless.

Kinda like Piccolo, who clearly stated at the start of DBZ that he still intended to take over the world once he was powerful enough to defeat Goku and they were only joining forces because neither wanted the saiyans to destroy the planet, but then somewhere along the way he changed his mind, probably because of his bond with Gohan.

[-] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

It's especially interesting in Piccolo's case IMO because he was basically born evil as a reincarnation of his father, never having a choice in the matter. It wasn't until Gohan came along and treated him as anything but a monster that he began to realize he had a choice.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Piccolo with baby Pan in super was one of the most wholesome moments in the entire series. Especially when Goku shows up to relieve him from babysitting and he explains a bunch of stuff to a half listening Goku and then ends up just staying because he doesn't trust Goku to remember any of it.