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I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

Are votes for Libertarians votes for Biden? Is that how it works?

[-] survivalmachine@beehaw.org 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah. Last election, I campaigned hard for Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen, then I voted for Biden. It was an effective strategy to siphon off the pedophile and racist-but-likes-weed votes away from Trump. A vote for a non-viable third party is just as effective as voting against the real candidate that most closely aligns with your views.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

Why not try to actually educate others, rather than manipulate them?

[-] survivalmachine@beehaw.org 6 points 8 months ago

Why not both? That is not my only strategy in life. I educate those willing to learn and I manipulate those trying to intentionally harm humanity.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

You openly admitted to spreading Libertarian bullshit, rather than trying to educate them and make them class-aware.

[-] survivalmachine@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago

Yes, that is one component of effective campaigning. Making the world a better place can involve both convincing others to join your cause and also convincing others to abandon the opposing cause, even if they don't join yours.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

Or, you can act in everyone's interests, and get people voting for conservatives to move leftward. If your views are indeed correct, then you should have the advantage there.

Empowering the less likely opposition is what lost Hillary to Trump. The fact that Trump was ever on the ballot is because of the DNC, lmao.

[-] survivalmachine@beehaw.org 2 points 8 months ago

That's literally what I said I do. Good day.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago

No, you said you encouraged conservatives to vote Libertarian, and pushed them towards libertarianism, rather than leftward.

[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

You're right, if we talk to the wolves enough about the benefits of being a sheep, they'll start producing wool ๐Ÿ™„

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

You aren't talking to wolves, you're talking to sheep that are convinced you're a wolf. You, me, and they are all sheep, the wolves are the ones that are trying to pit the sheep against each other.

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