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[–] Yewb@kbin.social 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Why do people give up their lives for that guy?

[–] Dippy@beehaw.org 15 points 8 months ago

They're fed lies that the country is under duress by everything and just a handful of people, namely trump and his allies, are able to save us. They think life is like the movies and they can be a hero

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Human wiring

You're supposed to organize into a hierarchy, find a leader and follow them so they can organize things and make sure the tribe survives.

Unfortunately, so much of our modern picture of the world is formed from TV-and-internet bullshit that people can't even determine what's real or fantasy, and so sometimes the wiring malfunctions and someone sort of snaps into obedience to someone like Donald Trump. For a certain type of mental layout it's as unavoidable as flinching when something comes near your eyes, and it's terribly dangerous.

There's a play "Rhinoceros" by Eugene Ionesco which deals with what it looks like when it's happening to people around you. Or, just exist in the US today if you want to see another example 😢

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don't think we are wired for hierarchy, but western society teaches kids to fall in from a pretty young age. Also, at least when I was growing up, there was very little critical thinking/media literacy being taught to kids in public schools. I can't comment on current public school since I have no kids and have not been in the school system in many years. Those things combined with the fact that it is easy to manipulate social media for large companies/governments and you have the rise of Trump.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The whole public school curriculum is designed to prepare you for a late-1800s world

In the modern day, it needs to include media literacy and practical civics within the core curriculum, on equal footing with science and math

For some reason that suggestion isn't popular with our leaders. I wonder why

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Mmmhmm. I would even go a step further and say it is purposely skewed to getting kids used to be a cog in capitalism.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Almost as if 🥲

They did an experiment where they had high school teachers go through a normal day from the perspective of the kids: Go run to this new location whenever the bell rings and tells you to, limited time to eat and then a bell rings and you have to hustle to your new location and sit still and listen quietly to this guy up in front talk, and then get tested on whether you can repeat the information back and you have to do everything you're told in exactly the way you're told to. They did it for 1 day and they were absolutely shocked at the experience, like WTF this is awful I have anxiety now, I don't even know how these kids can handle it.

[–] sqgl@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Absolutely shocked"? Were these teachers all home schooled in their youth or something?

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 7 months ago

I think this is what I was remembering - it was one teacher and a little less formal than what I remembered.

To answer your question though, my guess would be that they’d just adapted to it as kids without realizing how messed up it was from a free adult person perspective. That’s just guessing though.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you think the Western world is bad in this regard, then you only need to take one look outside of it. This is as good as it gets right now in terms of teaching independent thinking. There are lots of issues and gaps, but the rest of the world is considerably worse in this regard, especially Asia.

[–] sqgl@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago

Also it is mainly the undisciplined school drop-outs who fall for Q-Anon and other conspiracy bs.